No force rp.

[Jubin]

You just proved my point - there's a person in that list that would be considered a moaner today.

And that would be?

[Jamal]

lol You expect the server levels to rise, pretty much from what JDC Said, 5x to 6x, even 7x (150+ players on SA:MP lately) and you expect no moaning? If there was so little members on at a time the server could easily be peaceful because it would be like a little community where every member was a larger part than it is now. with over so many registered, if you dont like the moan fix it yourself other than posting about it or leave the server because with more members comes more problems.

[Gandalf]

lol You expect the server levels to rise, pretty much from what JDC Said, 5x to 6x, even 7x (150+ players on SA:MP lately) and you expect no moaning? If there was so little members on at a time the server could easily be peaceful because it would be like a little community where every member was a larger part than it is now. with over so many registered, if you dont like the moan fix it yourself other than posting about it or leave the server because with more members comes more problems.

What you do not understand is that on MTA:VC we were 10x or more stricter on players.
If you think Aragorn posts harsh words here, you should see chat logs from 2006. 
MTA:VC had a very strict policy on swearing and flaming, and absolute zero tolerance, including on using it in RP. Some times we wish to go back to that...

[TheRock]

What you do not understand is that on MTA:VC we were 10x or more stricter on players.
If you think Aragorn posts harsh words here, you should see chat logs from 2006. 
MTA:VC had a very strict policy on swearing and flaming, and absolute zero tolerance, including on using it in RP. Some times we wish to go back to that...

Please do .

People think they are tough by using swear on every single comment of their on /p.

[JDC]

What you do not understand is that on MTA:VC we were 10x or more stricter on players.
If you think Aragorn posts harsh words here, you should see chat logs from 2006. 
MTA:VC had a very strict policy on swearing and flaming, and absolute zero tolerance, including on using it in RP. Some times we wish to go back to that...

Not to mention many SA:MP Administration members were trained to be more lenient than MTA:VC standards.

If you think SA:MP Admins are super-strict, you should see those who survived from MTA:VC.

[Oliver]

@Lik
I guess you don't know what's actual role-play.

Assuming a role, being consistent with the role and playing the role to the best of your abilities.

'/l /gu now' is not the best of your abilities. Neither is getting into discussions on /p while doing fuckall (standing around at Pershing) as an FBI division chief.

[9r2e5i3k]

Assuming a role,

ok

being consistent with the role

not necessarily

and playing the role to the best of your abilities.

applies more for acting than playing an online game.

'/l /gu now' is not the best of your abilities. Neither is getting into discussions on /p while doing f**kall (standing around at Pershing) as an FBI division chief.

It's a game. On Argonath you can safely assume that your character is AWARE that he's in a GAME, no requirement here to be all realistic.

[Jubin]

Assuming a role, being consistent with the role and playing the role to the best of your abilities.

I guess I am not a very good role player by your standards then.

[Jingle]

"It's a game."

Role-play

- To refer to the playing of roles generally such as in a theater, or educational setting;
- To refer to taking a role of an existing character or person and acting it out with a partner taking someone elses role, often involving different genres of practice

applies more for acting than playing an online game.

You are playing a game, and by using the game you have the possibility to play a role. Therefore "it's a game" argument is no longer valid.

It's a game. On Argonath you can safely assume that your character is AWARE that he's in a GAME, no requirement here to be all realistic.

Your character is your character, you are roleplaying a character. Here you are saying the character role is someone who knows he's in some game and he doesn't need to be realistic. Makes sense? I'll let you answer that yourself provided you have a good argument to justify it.

[9r2e5i3k]

@Jingle
You're not even making logical points.

This is not an theatre or educational facility.
You don't role-play existing characters here, you play non-existent/fictional/made up characters.
You completely dropped the point in your quote that computer games are listed separately from the two above points.

[Frank_Hawk]

I'm very happy to see server capacity exceeding 150 players as it demonstrates the popularity of this community over others. All players deserve gratitude for their contribution to the community as it grows organically and globally. Taking a step back, I can see that the majority of people who consistently expose every loophole to complain, hail from a failed migration to another server. These people couldn't cut it elsewhere through their failure to live up to the expected standard for IC/OOC and returned to Argonath only to preach of underlearned values. These people in question are continuously scoping to retrofit this learning into their Argonath style of RP. As a result, groups are ever growingly enforcing IC/OOC principles within their internal structure and instructing their members to use it on others. If the respondent fails to comply, they are instructed to ignore that player citing they are too inexperienced to continue. As the enforcement grows, the influential vibe associated with it strengthens into the new player base in particular. As a result, we are seeing an influx of players using IC/OOC principles while the older generation continue to question with wholehearted concern for the sustainability of older traditions.

To spark a fire, when a question arises around IC/OOC - two parties divulge into army battalions with one demonstrating the benefits IC/OOC bring and the other detesting it. The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them. As the platoons clash - new, regular and veterans players (mentored by IC/OOC agents) engage in head to head confrontation with the 'golden age' of Argonath. As the battles rage on, the need for clarification becomes more attractive in solving this long standing dispute. The perpetrators of where IC/OOC originates from remain operational yet are challenging to pinpoint as the mist of IC/OOC continues to converge and cover their tracks. All these discussions, disagreements and ill will towards each other stems from this differing view and until it is stamped out we are unlikely to emerge from this darkness that surrounds a troublesome minority. Whilst I accept that IC/OOC brings a new and refreshing RP methodology, I cannot and refuse to accept that it should be overcoming the unique Argonath methodology of RP and the culture that it has driven to date. What is most important moving forward is that we don't allow this to evolve into a discussion around double standards otherwise we are entering dangerous and unchartered terrority...

[Leon.]

The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them.

In English (), the best roleplayer is one who can accept different forms (or rules - inb4Aragorn) of roleplay.

That's why i9 won best roleplay group of 2009. They were easily able to adapt to the two forms (rules - inb4Aragornagain) when they were confronted with people from both groups. More so the IC/OOC users, because the Non-IC/OOC users tend to have more of an insulting and prejudicial attitude towards those who even have a hint of IC/OOC, whether it's their primary form (or rule - inb4Aragornx3) or not.


The word "roleplay" and any other forms of it might as well be considered derogatory now, considering the mentioning of the word instantaneously sparks an argument.

[Void]

The third party is a set of people who merged both the Argonath vision of RP and IC/OOC principles. They are the unsung heroes of Argonath maintaining a neutral stance and adopting to the style in front of them.

Wise words, mate. Wise words.

[Leon.]

Wise words, mate. Wise words.

Time for you and me to change our signatures to that quote.

[Jamal]

Wonder if people who dont agree with people who have the same opinion as frank will post against frank. If not, i will laugh to know they are only posting for personal reasons, not for what the persons saying.

Frank, you must tell me - What is your IQ level? It always seems your posting at great capacities and have inputs that are [not trying to say their generic] always the normal person's opinion, yes we all have one, but how we express it is different. Frank happens to give his opinion in the best and most formal manner. Its amazing he does not get angered like everyone on this server, almost as if he is a computer without emotions  :razz: