No force rp.

[Void]

LOL, you guys think I don't know how I act? Have you noticed a pattern in the types of people my outbursts are directed at? Oh, right - the idiotic RLRPers who think they can come to Argonath and take shit over.
Seriously, f**k off from this server.

You're thoughts are so much clouded with Argonath Vision you forgot where is the door to reality.

The risk of going Hosted and other features such as advertisement on other sites etc brought more and more players.Surely you didn't think everything would be peachy and everyone will accept what you enforce?Go in game, enforce Argonath Vision and see how much people accept it.

Gimli said it nicely:

In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.

Telling someone to f**k off because he uses "(())" while RPing with you?Its a tyrant behavior.
I see Frank_Hawk using OOC/IC technique sometimes. Sure, he should f**k off because he uses it.

The problem is, you don't resemble enforcing from pure will.
I see so many shit regarding players such as myself, just because of some past unsatisfied players who came here and said " Oh this needs /b to be RP server, TOGGLE /P CHAT ffs command, I can't RP right". We are getting all the critics because of them and their style of RP.

The most famous one:
"I left Argonath cuz of non RP moaners"
I mean what do you expect? Those people are STILL here. They didn't move away. Its like Argonath is a drug.
Then they go to RLRP server, fail to live up to their expectations there then come back and bad girl again.



We use this thread to throw shit at each other and server goes by normal. What do we have from this thread?
Lets line up all those who RP at Argonath and assemble player files by those who RP without brackets and with brackets.I means seriously, can't you just adapt rather then moan around about this and that?
Those people don't know what RP is. Leave the golden age talk aside because some of us here don't RP since yesterday.

[rJCaiG]

Personally, I believe moaners have a much more detrimental effect on the server than do those who adapt to other methods of roleplay. Clearly, they are exhibiting symptoms of some kind of psychological disorder. Why constantly look for problems to fight against when there aren't any..? This is normal for teenagers though, so please excuse the ones who do this..

In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.

2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.

[iDavid]

2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.

To correct you, a Community Leader doesn't have a specific division. ( SA:MP as you mentioned, is a part of it ) And there are more then 2, I think you forgot Mr. Agent / Legolas and Mr. Kojak / Elrond ( from what I remember )


The way a player roleplayes is the players decision, there are no 'rules' for how you are supposed to roleplay. Brackets or not, you may be a very good roleplayer. My point is, there are of those whom are/have been playing on a more "RLRP" server and came here, thought we have a better community and connection and decided to stay.. Still using his RP methods from his old server where he learned that double brackets meant OOC. While 'original' Argonath players have learned that it doesn't matter..

Argonath is not only a roleplay server with a red line between all it's players, it is also a place where people group up to enforce RLRP, or the other way around..

[Gird3r]

Long text...

Aragorn has said fuck off to OOC/IC.

Aragorn says, it's law. Simple.
You as an admin should be well aware of this. As should all other admins (including me and moderators).

As for Violet, you say you know much about mta:vc "old days". Sorry, but you know far less than you proclaim. The fact that afk people was kicked often to give room for active players is an fact, not an lie. I am talking about 2006-2007 here.

Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.

We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.

While I do see that we do this I am going to mention now in an reverse, so do the OOC/IC players:

Shutting out players/discriminating players based because they can't OOC/IC or don't want to.

I conclude this with that not every single OOC/IC player are doing this.

GiacJr, you may be loyal, but you seriosly need to calm down with that exsessive swearing. Have you manners at all? I do not know what problems you have. But take it as advice. Calm down before you get yourself in trouble.

[Gimli]

2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.

First of all, I did not directly mention your name. Secondly, this is based on topics like this which aren't constructive at all, especially when you swear and go crazy.. You just look for problems on purpose and then have tantrums over them, e.g. requesting a limo 11 times and then moan about it not coming.. Go and drive one yourself.

[Nexxt]

Giac, very honestly.
Why do you care so much about this IC/OOC subject? If you do not want to use it, don't do it.
It's not required and it will never be.

You accuse others of fucking up this community, but recently I've seen YOU crying about things aswell.
You used to have a lot of power in Argonath, SAPD higher ranked and you was an admin, now you lost those things and it looks like you get crazy because you lost the "control" of most of the things.

Recent weeks you have been constantly bragging about the fact that Argonath is shit, then I want to ask JDC is that means that GiacJr is the "most loyal member of Argonath"?
Not really, it's just you two who fight against changes which do not harm anything unless it's being forced.

When it gets forced, just report that to an administrator as it's not a rule or just leave the RP.
It's not such a big deal.

And sorry if anything did offend you in person, but it's just what I notice...

[Jamal]

2 for 2 SA:MP Community Leaders have now accused me of having mental problems.
GG respect.

Well, Its nice to see your not posting to be an azz and your standing by your opinion. I can respect that.

Maybe those '2 for 2' are right about something, maybe not mental problems, but some issue. You seem to think (( )) has ruined the server or something? 'zomg wtf use new rp style other than /me everything leading to confusion a lot of times? HOLY WEUHIWAQayhuwkwa7hidsadsfuhnf'lksfaijk'

I acknowledge the fact that Giac's behavior has some problems, some even noted by high administration.

However, I'd like to point out that he is one of those people most loyal to Argonath, as opposed to some other problematic people who just stay here, shit on everything, and try to merge the IC/OOC with Argonath culture.

As RON said, we don't bring our rules to other servers... so keep them out of here.

I hope your not saying it because Giac is an older player. I see sometimes its like MTA:VC argonath players are all golden. Constantly you hear about 'zomg MTA:VC' sure it could be a nice place, but some players have a confusion that anyone from MTAVC was like a member of some elite group of good guys. You  can even still see it now, some people label themselves as MTA:VC argonath players and then pull it out of their ass to make a point, which is 100% invalid anyway because the situations are completely different now, stated by Gandalf and others, such as more strict ruling over rulebreakers (Which would be great for SA:MP... hose out the rulebreakers) and not as many players as it is now.

Onto another thing: JDC you hate me for moaning and shit on 1 topic, and you still can be nice with giac after what he is doing? Do I need to spell out what I'm saying..

Aragorn has said f**k off to OOC/IC.
Would like to see a quote where he says its not allowed. From what I remember he said there is no IC/OOC in the server meaning its not supported by the server.
Aragorn says, it's law. Simple.

You as an admin should be well aware of this. As should all other admins (including me and moderators).

As for Violet, you say you know much about mta:vc "old days". Sorry, but you know far less than you proclaim. The fact that afk people was kicked often to give room for active players is an fact, not an lie. I am talking about 2006-2007 here.

Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.
Tradition? Its a form of roleplaying, not a bandwagon of people. I could just as easily say /me is a form of roleplay people wish to enforce, but since it was used in the 'old days' its golden and mighty?[Just as an example of how I saw your post, not my actual opinion] Its not like suddenly people said 'oh lets make IC/OOC here! It just happened because that was a style of roleplay people knew and liked to use. NOT ONE TIME EVER did someone try to claim its a real rule to use it and how its supported in argonath.   

We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.
Give a Pro/Con sheet. Seems you just looked at the bad and assumed about it.
While I do see that we do this I am going to mention now in an reverse, so do the OOC/IC players:

Shutting out players/discriminating players based because they can't OOC/IC or don't want to.

I conclude this with that not every single OOC/IC player are doing this.

GiacJr, you may be loyal, but you seriosly need to calm down with that exsessive swearing. Have you manners at all? I do not know what problems you have. But take it as advice. Calm down before you get yourself in trouble.
Agreed

Giac, very honestly.
Why do you care so much about this IC/OOC subject? If you do not want to use it, don't do it.
It's not required and it will never be.

You accuse others of f**king up this community, but recently I've seen YOU crying about things aswell.
You used to have a lot of power in Argonath, SAPD higher ranked and you was an admin, now you lost those things and it looks like you get crazy because you lost the "control" of most of the things.

Recent weeks you have been constantly bragging about the fact that Argonath is shit, then I want to ask JDC is that means that GiacJr is the "most loyal member of Argonath"?
Not really, it's just you two who fight against changes which do not harm anything unless it's being forced.

When it gets forced, just report that to an administrator as it's not a rule or just leave the RP.
It's not such a big deal.

And sorry if anything did offend you in person, but it's just what I notice...

YYEEEESSSS!!!! Nexxt that is exactly how I feel.

[rJCaiG]

I'm at a loss for words...and I am furthermore in shock that you guys are fine to sit back and allow these RLRP guys to take over our server...
I resigned from my admin position because I lost faith in the leaders of the admin team...
Think about it. Why would I throw 4 years worth of work out the window over some moaners? Yeah...I wouldn't.
Argonath, get your shit sorted and your priorities straight. I am a broken, lost man who's faith has been demolished. Learn from my mistakes. Fight harder and more vocally about the things you believe in...before it's too late.

[rJCaiG]

Maybe it will be better if I give up, resign all my positions, change my IP, make a new account and start a new life as a boring old conformist RPer who doesn't have the balls to stand up for his beliefs....would everyone appreciate that? Would you find happiness in knowing that you drove Giacjr to give up?...

[Frank_Hawk]

There is no evidence suggesting we are going to see a downward spiral in IC/OOC activity. Instead, it is increasingly likely in the near future, that IC/OOC principles will overtake the Argonath RP methodology. The current rule makes it explicitly clear that IC/OOC is acceptable providing there is no evidence relating to enforcement of these principles on others. If you want to use IC/OOC, you are permitted to do so within your group but anything outside of this circle is subject to rightful resistance. In line with Argonath tradition, specific people are exploiting the IC/OOC loophole and enforcing it beyond what is acceptable. It is through this troublesome minority that the overall 'third party' builds a stained stance to what they look to distance themselves from. All those who detest this practise must accept the fact that there is no rule outlawing IC/OOC and in turn continue to accept jeopardising their stance and position in the community.

To resolve this long standing dispute, outlaw IC/OOC or legalise the use of it. Alternatively, listen to SNSD.

[Nexxt]

Why you blame the people here from you giving up?
It's just a thing which you make quite big for yourself.

Again...it's not a rule to use IC/OOC and it's a style of some roleplayers, even the one who never been on a RLRP server.
There are much more things on Argonath which are on a RLRP server, but does that makes it bad?

Argonath is unique in it's people and it's gameplay - but not everything can go like you want it.

[JayL]

Personally, I believe moaners have a much more detrimental effect on the server than do those who adapt to other methods of roleplay.
[...]
In other words, the two or four little brackets don't do as much damage as does the constant moaning about them.

These moaners you talk about are also brackets guys.

IMO OOC/IC should have been banned already. It is doing no good for the community. Like Hawk said it's just increasing the likelihood of OOC/IC taking over (of course though it's hardly going to be officially accepted by the server).

And I hope we won't need to say 100 times more why OOC/IC does no good for the community (remember the new players case)...

[Dave]

I resigned from my admin position because I lost faith in the leaders of the admin team...

No. You resigned because you could not face the humiliation of apologising to me because I was right in doing my job as an admin. You resigned because you did not want to be kicked. Tell the truth and stop fucking lying to keep your huge fucking ego intact. What makes you so special from the other 5000 or so players in the community? Grow the fuck up and stop being so selfish. If you cannot, then it is you who should leave.

[Gird3r]

Would like to see a quote where he says its not allowed. From what I remember he said there is no IC/OOC in the server meaning its not supported by the server.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg865961#msg865961
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg867154#msg867154
There you have it. Read. And read again.

He has not dissallowed it (how you read his quotes as, is another story aswell as how I read it) (but he's sure pissed off enough to dissallow it anytime, how he decides to do, is up to aragorn), however. He has said that OOC/IC can fuck off. How you and I take that statement as is different.



    Tradition? Its a form of roleplaying, not a bandwagon of people. I could just as easily say /me is a form of roleplay people wish to enforce, but since it was used in the 'old days' its golden and mighty?[Just as an example of how I saw your post, not my actual opinion] Its not like suddenly people said 'oh lets make IC/OOC here! It just happened because that was a style of roleplay people knew and liked to use. NOT ONE TIME EVER did someone try to claim its a real rule to use it and how its supported in argonath.  

"/me" is how argonath started. It's the fundemental and the root of how Argonath's roleplay was originally based. In that sense, it's "golden and almighty"

[Void]

You as an admin should be well aware of this.

Ask our Manager Tai to give you logs on how I preach role play on IV:MP server. It has nothing to do with MY beliefs.
I play with my style and I always warn players that meta/powergaming as well as IC/OOC are not welcome in Argonath.
My role as a staff member does not interfere with my RP. it is a completely different thing.

I am talking about 2006-2007 here.

Sure, rest of us are from yesterday. We are some smart asses who know about RP since yesterday.

Another fact also remains, the OOC/IC was brought in by other players, who originally wished to enforce it. Again this is about the first non-mta:vc visitors. By that I mean completly new Argonath players. And as such, this passed onto the general base, and then became some wierd sort of tradition among players, that seem to think OOC/IC is an official rule on Argonath.

Again with this stuff. IC/OOC was around since MTA:VC too. I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
Shut the player flow on the server and you won't have OOC/IC ever again.

We are against it simply because it causes more troubles than it causes happiness.
Flaming then claiming it was just OOC/IC.
Confusing new players and giving them an ideal/rule that Argonath is not officially supporting.

Talking about incompetent RPers. Same superficial behavior I warned about in my previous post.
You can ban individuals, but you cannot ban IC/OOC. If yes, explain me HOW can you ban something that is here since who knows when and is among people.


Consider IC/OOC as mathematical addition.

GiacJr:
What makes you different from lets say Gird3r is that you are dramatizing. Gird3r is trying to talk rationally.
You need to lower the temper.

Let me sum it all up:
YOU cannot change the community. People are people. You cannot force will. You need to ban at least 10000 players so others should start fearing when they use brackets. Do you want a server full of robots?

The server is going in a natural flow. Individuals can be eliminated. You must not dramatize because that makes things worse.
its the individuals that can change the mind state of the server. If he says its bad,his friends will say its bad and they will leave. The friends of his friends will after that say its bad and will leave et cetera ... 

Pure DEDUCTION. Don't let few form your opinion!