No force rp.

[JayL]

Again with this stuff. IC/OOC was around since MTA:VC too. I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
Shut the player flow on the server and you won't have OOC/IC ever again.

Sorry no. There wasn't any of these OOC/IC ideas in MTA:VC times. If there were they were way too unsupported/insignificant to be noticed by the community. And guess what? It was a lot of fun.

[Frank_Hawk]

I along with others stand proud to be able to merge the traditional Argonath RP methodology with IC/OOC, DM, TDM and free roaming. Unlike many here, I hail from the dinosaur age of SA:MP in 2006 where people were running around naked pointlessly. Unknown to many of you, SA:MP is declining rapidly as the popularity of the platform wavers. We have to accept the fact that there will be a day where SA:MP ceases to exist. Until which, we are responsible for maintaining the identity and roots of Argonath.

If maintaining the identity of Argonath involves outlawing IC/OOC whilst holding a moral compass - I support the proposal. However, on the other hand - If Argonath want to continue attracting players of a dying breed, we must keep all channels of communication open when it comes to IC/OOC tolerance. As neglecting these stream of players will prove problematic. Especially for ensuring the long term viability of sustaining our player base as we continue to look to the future.

[Cofiliano]

You people are making huge fuzz over nothing.


I do not see any "OOC/IC player" requesting that OOC/IC becomes offical or supported by Owners. The same second that would happen, most people would leave Argonath, including me. So why moaning about it, when there's nothing to moan about?


On other hand,  I do see some people, who e-bully and humiliate people who use those brackets, and even moan about them, and generalizing every person who's using brackets calling all of them "someone who wants to force something and change Argonath and Argonath style" .

No they don't.

 Most of those guys left, starting from Carhartt to Que, the people who left and roleplays with brackets, are people who just want some peace and fun, and not to get humiliated, attacked, and generalized like in Nazi Germany, by some people, just because they use brackets.

Yeah that's exactly whats happening, people who use brackets  for their  own fun with their friends, without forcing anyone to role play their way,  are called evil, Argonath killers, cancers, and God knows what else, by some people who just can't stand that someone likes different method of roleplay then them. Its a bloody which hunt.

Those people in my opinion, are not here to save the original Argonath style, like Frank Hawk and few more guys are trying in this topic, they are here solo cause of the their personal hate, and incompatibility to accept someone else as different.

And when you read this entire topic, you will easily figure out who are they, cause all they are doing is moaning and moaning and moaning.


There's an old saying : "Live and let others live."  For this subject, my message would be: Have fun, role play, and let others have the same, even if they are different then you.

 

[Void]

Sorry no.

As I posted above

I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.

but where I played IC/OOC was used. I never noticed a difference between it.

Ah yes. Its because MTA:VC had a fistful of player slots and SA:MP has 500.
That means 200 different people coming in and out daily.


Excellently said Frank, there is a piece of my thought.
I know how you feel, oldies goldies but SA:MP is progressing. I am in the RP business since December 2006. I've experienced a lot of things.
I believe other neutral standing people did to.

[Jamal]

Sorry no. There wasn't any of these OOC/IC ideas in MTA:VC times. If there were they were way too unsupported/insignificant to be noticed by the community. And guess what? It was a lot of fun.

let me break this argument to invalid.

How do you know it was funner if you never experienced OOC/IC in MTA:VC? And before you say 'well its no fun here in SA:MP' do you happen to think that SA:MP and MTA:VC are not the same thing, and its almost like 2 versions of a video game, one for xbox one for ps3. Its your choice to which you like better and how you play it is your choice, but if it is supported or not is not your choice.

Frank is right too. IF we give only one way to roleplay (/me) then only /me roleplayers can join the server. Name it 'Argonath /me RPG' if there is only one style of roleplay allowed [I know this is not the true thing, taking it from what people are saying here]. You are showing you can't adapt to another style of roleplay.

Aragorn or gandalf, if you can, please post in this topic and clarify the availability of OOC/IC roleplay (Is it allowed?). Not asking if its supported, because I know its not, im asking if its allowed to be used.

[Cofiliano]

Aragorn or gandalf, if you can, please post in this topic and clarify the availability of OOC/IC roleplay (Is it allowed?). Not asking if its supported, because I know its not, im asking if its allowed to be used.

They posted million times.

Allowed, like any other roleplay style, and disallowed to force it on anyone, like any other roleplay style.

[Gird3r]

Ask our Manager Tai to give you logs on how I preach role play on IV:MP server. It has nothing to do with MY beliefs.
I play with my style and I always warn players that meta/powergaming as well as IC/OOC are not welcome in Argonath.
My role as a staff member does not interfere with my RP. it is a completely different thing.

Good, then I know where you stand.
Sure, rest of us are from yesterday. We are some smart asses who know about RP since yesterday.
Nice flame.

Again with this stuff. IC/OOC was around since MTA:VC too. I don't know how did you enforce it on server but it was everywhere.
Shut the player flow on the server and you won't have OOC/IC ever again.
There was only two popular RPG servers (Counting the top 2) around 2006-2007, no one of them discussed or used OOC/IC in any way.

Talking about incompetent RPers. Same superficial behavior I warned about in my previous post.
Incompetent? Rephrase it, I am talking about players who were not from the community before, but was completly new and with them, took the idea of OOC/IC, along those individuals, there was those who tried to enforce this OOC/IC rule. I never mentioned incompetent, and I see no reason to do so. Just because I do not agree with them does not give you an chance to use an invalid fact, I do not tell them they are incompetent. Also, if you read my reply again, I did not state that everysingle person who uses OOC/IC is some hellbent players wishing to enforce the style.

You can ban individuals, but you cannot ban IC/OOC. If yes, explain me HOW can you ban something that is here since who knows when and is among people.
Ban? Read this again: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=59966.msg865961#msg865961
And if two piece of OOC/IC will not f**king stop to bring into Argonath this stupid rule from other servers I will just f**king disallow it by power... He is the server owner. He can dissallow it if he wants to. It's still up to him. So far, it's allowed (but not enforce it). I disagree on allowing it at all. However, that's not my decision. 


Consider IC/OOC as mathematical addition.
How does something seen as negative from even Aragorn viewpoint turn something positive to even more positive?


Pure DEDUCTION. Don't let few form your opinion!
Yes, this fact is an true and valid statement. And should be respected for it. but alas, the opinion of OOC/IC being something completly fine and good is not according to what Aragorn has in mind for the server (so far judging from his replys, my viewpoint on it, he can say what he wants about, alas only his own words are his opinion). And where Aragorn takes the server I follow.

[JayL]

Hm, I wonder why you're victimising the brackets people so much, because...

Most (in case it's not all) of the time (to not be called a generalizing nazi):
People who constantly complain about how /area is not roleplay are brackets guys.
People who constantly complain about freecops are brackets guys.
People who constantly complain about rulebreaking new players are brackets guys.
People who constantly complain about the Argonath ingame chat system are brackets guys.

So along with OOC/IC, we would also:
Lose /area
Restrict freecops
Ban straight ahead new players who just arrived in the server and aren't known to rules
Lose /p

[...]

Most of those guys left, starting from Carhartt to Que, the people who left and roleplays with brackets, are people who just want some peace and fun, and not to get humiliated, attacked, and generalized like in Nazi Germany, by some people, just because they use brackets.

Hah, I wish it was that indeed. If the OOC/IC groups actually wanted peace they wouldn't rage on every guy who comes across them not using that style of RP, rage on every guy who scrolls to a weapon without typing atleast 3 lines of /me, rage on every guy who uses a weapon which don't fit their type in the eyes of OOC/IC'ers, etc.

[Wash]

non-flame

[Gimli]

And I hope we won't need to say 100 times more why OOC/IC does no good for the community (remember the new players case)...

Also remember that 90% of new players come from other servers.. So isn't it safe to assume that at least half of them already know what OOC/IC is?

I am neutral in this matter. I don't regard OOC/IC to have a negative effect nor a positive effect on the server. It's just a method of RP that some choose to accommodate.. Adapt to it, ignore it but please, don't moan about it.

[Cofiliano]

Hah, I wish it was that indeed. If the OOC/IC groups actually wanted peace they wouldn't rage on every guy who comes across them not using that style of RP, rage on every guy who scrolls to a weapon without typing atleast 3 lines of /me, rage on every guy who uses a weapon which don't fit their type in the eyes of OOC/IC'ers, etc.

Name them.

I am neutral in this matter. I don't regard OOC/IC to have a negative effect nor a positive effect on the server. It's just a method of RP that some choose to accommodate.. Adapt to it, ignore it but please, don't moan about it.

This is it.

[Gimli]

Name them.

The "elite RP" groups that primarily stay in East LS (e.g. the group with 464 in their name).

[Cofiliano]

The "elite RP" group that primarily stay in East LS (e.g. the group with 464 in their name).

Who lol? I didn't even heard about them. And yet they are making all this fuzz? At least that's easy to solve, either they stop forcing it or they get closed.

But I doubt they are the ones creating all this moaning, and generalizing every person who uses brackets, as Jewish people in Nazi Germany, don't you simply agree?

[Void]

over quote

Flame? I didn't flame anywhere in my post.
You know where I stand? I believe you don't.
My friend has a home based server. It had 5-9 players. It was no popular server.

I did not state that everysingle person who uses OOC/IC is some hellbent players wishing to enforce the style.

Then why shit on it?

Gimli is right. Being popular caused this player flow. It has its burden.

[JayL]

Also remember that 90% of new players come from other servers.. So isn't it safe to assume that at least half of them already know what OOC/IC is?

If I get what you're saying, they will still take part in the cycle.

Case 1: New player who doesn't know OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and thinks that's the way you do stuff. He starts liking it and there you go, another player completely alienated towards the Argonath Vision.
Case 2: New player who knows OOC/IC RP
Player makes his way into meeting the server's regulars, sees them using the brackets and concludes Argonath is another OOC/IC RP (or atleast tolerant to it) server. He starts using it like in the past servers and there you go, also another player alienated to the Argo Vision.