No force rp.

[Jamal]

It may not be constructive to you but what JDC and I posted is nothing personal. There is no 'e-respect' it is just respect. I can and do respect JDC for stepping up and saying, but at the same time I have my own opinion and it doesn't match with JDCs, so we argue. Its not like we are arguing just to piss each other off.

[rJCaiG]

Where the good times when =MS= was seen In game a lot?
Where the good times when we had people like Crimson, Kaltsu, Dogmatic,Lionz, Merc, Carhartt, Empire, Hess, punkemo, Niall, Shaheen, Petey and more veterans In game?
Where the good times when you could see owners playing?

Yes, yes and yes.
I remember all of the guys you listed on the second line I haven't seen the name punkemo for years...

[Void]

Yes, yes and yes.
I remember all of the guys you listed on the second line

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You and JDC are alike. Have you ever RPed together?
I believe no, from what I see in the comments.

Try it. You'll have a complete different opinion of each other.

[Leon.]

Cheers to Frank Hawk and Grzesiek who actually posted something constructive in this topic.

dude i wanna whore in your post too this is just a bit constructive right???

Not all IC/OOC users use "IT WAS IC" as an excuse for flaming. When I used to be mostly IC/OOC, I flamed in what would be "IC" and got caught. I explained to the player that the flaming was directed at his character, not him personally, however I only used this to reduce the amount of offensiveness. I then proceeded to apologize along the lines of... "I sincerely apologize if my words had actually offended you," and accepted responsibility for my actions, as I knew Argonath rules prevent flaming even in the would-be "IC." I didn't complain about the punishment. I damn well knew the policy regarding flame, IC or not.

I explained to the player that the flaming was directed at his character, not him personally, however I only used this to reduce the amount of offensiveness." You might say that's still using "IT WAS IC" as an excuse. See, it's not even an excuse in the first place, because I'm not using it to clean my ass of punishment. Notice how I directed it at the player I flamed and the intentions I said it with. I wasn't thinking "MAN I HOPE THE ADMIN WILL ACCEPT MY EXCUSE," but rather, "Man, I hope I can make this player feel less bad." There has been a time where I said "f**k you" in a phone conversation. The player got a bit offended by it. I proceeded to PM him something along the lines of...
"Hey man, I did not mean to personally insult you. The insult was directed at your roleplay character, however I know this is no excuse for whatever harm I may have done. Therefore, I sincerely apologize to you for the insult I have thrown at you, and hope for your utmost forgiveness." The admin is happy that I apologized, the player is happy that I apologized, the player is also happy that I did not literally mean the insult, and I'm happy that they're happy.
Today, when I wish to "ICly" flame someone, I come to a mutual agreement with the player. For example:
"Hey man, I just want to know if it'd be alright if I could flame a bit. I'd like you remind you that whatever I say is not in any way meant to insult you personally."
And every single time, the player would respond:
"Yeah man, it's alright."
We'd later on be telling each other how we lol'd at the insults we gave.
"Haha, I liked that joke where you said 'yo mama so fat.............'"
"Yeah man, I liked when you said you'd shove your foot so far up my...... LOL"

Using IC to void admin punishment, as almost everyone knows, is not a viable thing to do. The rules clearly state flaming is not allowed, IC or not. Saying it was in-character, in my case, is used to lift the weight of the insult off of the victim's shoulders. And often, premeditating flaming in-character with the "victim" is a perfectly fine solution, as usually the player would clearly state he/she is alright with your inflammatory remarks and completely understands that you in no way mean anything you have said personally.

TL;DR
Saying "f**k you" in /l and being punished for it by an admin is NOT the right time to use "IT WAS IC." The right time to do that is when you are apologizing to the player. The player will usually feel much better after you tell them the insult was not directed at them personally, but not all the time! If you MUST flame in IC, I offer this advice. Either:
1. Make a mutual agreement with you and the flamed.
OR
2. Don't do it AT ALL.
If you can't possibly do number 2, make the flame look harmless! Example:
"I'm going to f**king kill your whole entire family, you retarded f**king bastard of a bitch" some people I know would be going "ROFL" at that, but not everybody will do that!
Of course, this is a HIGHLY offensive remark. You can easily make it harmless by swapping some words with silly words... like
"I'm going to 'feed' your family some 'mashed potatoes', you silly dilly goose!"
Feed - kill
your family some 'mashed potatoes' - kill your whole entire family
you retarded f**king bastard of a bitch - you silly dilly goose!
Often, swapping words with harmless ones makes the statement more hilarious! When I want to call someone a f**king retard in the main chat, I just say "you silly goose!" instead of "you f**king retard." It often results in some minor lols.
And even shorter TL;DR:
IC is NOT an excuse to flame in Argonath RPG. Flaming is COMPLETELY intolerable for good reasons. "IT WAS IC" should only be used in apology, not in defense to admin punishment, as it's for the other player's sake, not yours.. Mutual agreements to flame in IC often results in a MUCH better outcome than what would have happened without the agreement.
And the people who use "IT WAS IC" to actually try to defend themselves from admin punishment deserve a ban for complete ignorance, in my opinion. But Argonath doesn't ban ignorance.


Here's an actual situation that involved a mutual agreement to flame. This is a little different, because I made the mutual agreement a bit later in the roleplay situation, right when things were about to get out of hand. Mutual agreements should be made BEFOREHAND. Names have been changed because I just don't feel like trying to remember them. I have that problem. I'll remember faces, conversations, and activities, but NOT names! No wonder I'm so bad with women.
Note, this was all over the phone.
Bob: Hello, Leon. I have one of your boys here with me.
Leon: Who the f**k is this?
Bob: It's Bob. If you want him alive, you'll pay me 10,000 dollars.
Leon: Man, f**k you! I ain't paying shit!
Bob: Okay then, I'll just have to kill him.
Leon: f**k you! You're a cruel son of a bad girl you know that?
Bob: Hold on Leon. Hey, you know this is just RP right?
Leon: Yeah. Sorry about that, I didn't mean to actually flame you.
Bob: It's okay.
Leon: Hey, you don't mind if I do a little bit of roleplay flaming, do you?
Bob: Yeah sure.
Leon: Alright, just so you know, I don't mean anything that I say to you.
Bob: Same here.
and it went on with lots of lols
Note that this was off of my terrible memory, and is likely highly inaccurate. The only accurate part is where the mutual agreement was made. And the person I flamed took offense to what I said, however, no admin punishment was taken, because I apologized to him and explained what I meant by it, and he accepted it! We agreed to flame for then until the RP situation was over, and it ended without problems. It allowed the full potential of the kidnap between criminal groups RP scenario to come out (where the kidnapped's friends or whatever would be in total rage against the kidnapper and where the kidnapper would be trying to calm him down ["Shut the f**k up or I kill him!"]).

[rJCaiG]

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You and JDC are alike. Have you ever RPed together?
I believe no, from what I see in the comments.

Try it. You'll have a complete different opinion of each other.

Of course we've RPed together! It's silly to suggest we haven't.

[Que]

Respect every style of roleplay, and respect every others opinion and there will be no problem.

[Soph]

@Phantom: Carhartt left SA:MP I think.

[JDC]

Carhartt left SA:MP long ago after he tried to impose rules on others- which was noted by RON as well in an age-old argue topic.

As for Giac... I think he was referring to me and Jamal.

And lastly... the Argonath Vision is not a mere topic. It is the direction that the owners intended to progress the community in- you can even see their statement at the start of the topic.

[Jubin]

And lastly... the Argonath Vision is not a mere topic. It is the direction that the owners intended to progress the community in- you can even see their statement at the start of the topic.

Exactly, a progress. That's why I don't get why Argonath's conservatives are talking so much about how things used to be and that we should try to be like that once again. If we would go back how things used to be, it would be regress not progress.

[EminemRulez]

Exactly, a progress. That's why I don't get why Argonath's conservatives are talking so much about how things used to be and that we should try to be like that once again. If we would go back how things used to be, it would be regress not progress.

/thread.

This can now be locked?

[rJCaiG]

We try to conserve old values and beliefs, not necessarily the community or the people.

[Altair_Carter]

We try to conserve old values and beliefs, not necessarily the community or the people.

Where's your moaning attitude?

[EminemRulez]

So "Conservative" is now a gang? Woah that's new...

[JDC]

Exactly, a progress. That's why I don't get why Argonath's conservatives are talking so much about how things used to be and that we should try to be like that once again. If we would go back how things used to be, it would be regress not progress.

If you speak to any Argonath Player from any time era, you will see that values have degenerated in the Argonath Community as a whole, which is why conservatives seek the restoration of the olden state of values, but not necessarily at the cost of forbidding progress. Our agenda is positive progress through restoration of the positive values at their old scale- which is why we try to preserve those values.

True, progress is happening in Argonath... but much of that progress has been regress, technically. In the past, Argonath was not a community filled with strife and moaning, yet when you look at the present, the question "Is this even progress?" comes to mind.

The scripts and other features got better, but at what cost? The values of the players.

You were from the olden times as well, Jubin. You should be one of those most able to see the regress that has taken place widely throughout the community.

And lastly... the term "Conservatives" refers to those who seek the preservation of old values (again said)... the more appropriate term would be "faction", not "gang".

[rJCaiG]

So "Conservative" is now a gang? Woah that's new...

We prefer "krew"