I SURRENDER. Or do I?

[SafetyMoose]

I recall the same thing, Moose. I have been told to report to administration if it happens.

Boozman knows all  :pop:

[Boozman]

Boozman knows all  :pop:

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Its called tactics and common sense. Its like when FBI is negotiating with suspects who kidnapped someone, and FBI "agrees" on paying 50,000$ to the kidnappers, as part of their "buy time" tactics. So every time you guys say /L We'll pay the 50k, you're obligated to do it, no mater did  you  /send id 50k or not.

Same criteria.

This.

[Murdock]

I think its ok to do so.
When you do /hail and then try to escape, you sort of "decieve" the cop and its smart, not retarted non-RP.
As long as the cop havn't yet approached to you and did "/me cuffs the guy", technicaly, your still on the lose.

[quincy69]

I hold gunpoint on people until they really  /gu, why? not because I can't RP, but because they can't RP.

[9r2e5i3k]

The point of this topic is to clear whether one is allowed to escape after claiming to have surrendered (not /gu) or not.

It's not allowed, that are the rules.

If you /gu'd you can't run. If you did anything else except that, you can. Simple.

As long as the cop havn't yet approached to you and did "/me cuffs the guy", technicaly, your still on the lose.

Wrong.

The rule is not you have to follow cops "after /gu", but you have to follow cops "after surrendering".

Surrendering is not only using /gu, you can also /hail or just say "I surrender".
/gu is only so you can shield yourself from cops' gunfire, but it limits role-play.

Where does the attitude of some come from, where asking something about a situation, is immediately moan?

The rule is clear and fair, yet people still try to question and bend it to their advantage. You can't escape after giving signs that you've surrendered to the cops. No exceptions.

Maybe not moaning in this case/topic, but the general subject of running after surrendering causes more or less moaning.

Its called tactics and common sense. Its like when FBI is negotiating with suspects who kidnapped someone, and FBI "agrees" on paying 50,000$ to the kidnappers, as part of their "buy time" tactics. So every time you guys say /L We'll pay the 50k, you're obligated to do it, no mater did  you  /send id 50k or not.

Common sense in kidnapping a fed or cop?? LOL

Kidnapping law enforcement officers (SAPD/FBI) and demanding money from the GOVERNMENT is just a mad flaw in criminals' logic. Especially on such daily basis as it was done (idk how it is now).

You (criminals in general) should kidnap people that are important to rich dudes, demand money and to not call the cops (like in the movies). If you call the cops for the ransom, it's just plain stupid/suicide, you're reducing your chances of getting the money successfully.

I think its ok to do so.
When you do /hail and then try to escape, you sort of "decieve" the cop and its smart, not retarted non-RP.

Smart my ass. More like wiseguy.

Later you'll moan about cops being DMers and money hungry for killing when you /hail. But cops can just explain themselves same way - they're smart because they don't let you deceive them.

example:

I hold gunpoint on people until they really  /gu, why? not because I can't RP, but because they can't RP.

Sure, you could limit the rules to be "only sign of surrender is /gu", but it will limit (like it's already expanded) role-play when surrendering.


And do Argonath's simple rules need "AT ALL/NO EXCEPTIONS" written next to every rule entry?

[Comrade]

I RP (Or try to, they do not always want) with the cops and do /hail.
Why? Because this is an RP server. I do not want to be limited by a script. I want to have the possibility to escape if the cop hasn't cuffed me yet.
I once did /hail, cops came to me, I asked about my right, etc... you know. Stalled the time. Then my buddies showed up, and we escaped. Sometimes that doesn't work when the cops outnumber you, but it is still fun. Thats what I call RP.

It's much better than doing /hail and a cop comes to you saying "/GU OR i Sh0oT!!!!! 3! 2! 1!" *pew pew*.
As suspects we are entitled to know WHAT we did and we are entitled to know our rights.

[Mikro]

I always try to RP the cuffing etc. But once the suspect said /em succes or /me gets cuffed, I will ask him to /gu. Just for my safety.

I once did /hail, cops came to me, I asked about my right, etc... you know. Stalled the time. Then my buddies showed up, and we escaped. Sometimes that doesn't work when the cops outnumber you, but it is still fun. Thats what I call RP.

If that is possible within the current rules, I don't know. But it is atleast way better then when the suspect starts shooting at the cops after the /hail. 

[9r2e5i3k]

I want to have the possibility to escape if the cop hasn't cuffed me yet.

You don't. That are the rules.

If you declare to cops that you surrender - you follow them until jail.

/em succes

Bad command usage.

[Mikro]

You don't. That are the rules.

If you declare to cops that you surrender - you follow them until jail.

I know, but it is just an extra safety. The step the criminal has to attack/run after /gu is much bigger then when he did not. Just to prevent them from rulebreaking.

Bad command usage.

I know.. I know... I don't use it myself, but putted it there as an exemple, since some people will probably better understand what I mean, when they see that. 

[EminemRulez]

You don't. That are the rules.

If you declare to cops that you surrender - you follow them until jail.
Bad command usage.

Even if you don't /giveup?
That makes no sense to me... A good cop would enforce a give up, never believe a criminal

[Gandalf]

The rule "No escaping after surrender"was made long before the /gu script, and there for is valid for any type of surrendering.

Why ? Lets make an example that nobody who posts in this topic would ever do, only those bad guys who play and never post on forums...

After 40 minutes chasing a criminal, the cops have him cornered without a car and low HP. The criminal does /hail and starts to RP that he will go with the cops. However he is hurt so he needs a medic first. After the medic arrives and has healed him, he gets in to the cop car. When near the police station and a fresh supply of escape cars, the player jumps out, shouts "COPS SUCK" and another 40 minute chase begins. At the end the criminal does /gu but is shot by a cop who just wasted 2 hours and gets fined $1000 for the trouble. Of course the criminal will follow this up by moaning in main chat for another 30 minutes, while flaming the cop that killed him in PM.

NO ESCAPE AFTER SURRENDER. That is final, absloute, and not subject to change.
If SAPD tries to enforce the rule to /gu, they are going against server rules, and cops who enforce this will be copbanned. If a player does /hail or says "I give up" or surrenders in any other way and then rund, he faces a ban.

Clear enough ?

[EminemRulez]

Clear enough?

Pretty much, thank you.

[Kenny.]

NO ESCAPE AFTER SURRENDER. That is final, absloute, and not subject to change.
If SAPD tries to enforce the rule to /gu, they are going against server rules, and cops who enforce this will be copbanned. If a player does /hail or says "I give up" or surrenders in any other way and then rund, he faces a ban.

Clear enough ?

I dont understand? is this a rule thats already being enfoced or something that your planing to enforce especially..,
 "if SAPD tries to enforce the rule to /gu, they are going against server rules, and cops who enforce this will be copbanned." this part?

[EminemRulez]

Kenny, I believe he's saying that criminals do not have to /gu obligatory. They can just hail and say they give up...