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Reply #15 on: November 17, 2010, 05:17:07 pm
Mate, at your age, you cannot possibly be as experienced as a lot of bikers

A GSXR 600 is race tuned, handlebars that far down that you break your wrists when you turn, and makes your arms ache.

What I think you need is a Sports Tourer, like a GSX650F

I will post a picture of three bikes you may like, all three are 600cc, but one has more BHP, the XJ600 has a massively Wide Powerband in the Revs, so there is no Massive burst of speed at any point.

Kawasaki GPZ-500
The Yamaha 600 Fazer
and the Yamaha XJ600 Diversion


Above Image is the fazer


Above is the XJ600


My personal Choice would be this one, the Kawasaki GPZ500


Your Choice, I can guess you will probably prefer the Fazer as it has about 50 Percent more BHP than the others, also looks sportier



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Reply #16 on: November 17, 2010, 05:18:59 pm
Go for the R6.



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Reply #17 on: November 17, 2010, 06:55:07 pm

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I do really have my heart set on a bigger 600cc machine. I know that with the 33BHP restriction, the 600cc bikes lose the fiercesome acceleration. From my research, the 0-60 speed is reduced by a 5-6 seconds after the restriction which is great - not too slow yet not too fast. During the two year restriction period, I'll be able to completely build my confidence on the bike and the road. At the end of the restriction, all I will need to do is remove the restrictors and I'll be able to use the bike that I've built all my confidence on. I'll know the in's and out's of the bike so it will be less of a handful when I have all that power with the restrictors removed.

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The Suzuki GSX650F seems like a great bike. They look great, looks quite similar to the GSXR600 but what's the difference? From what I can gather, I think the GSX650F is more of a laid back touring bike where as the GSXR600 is a quicker supersports bike. I would prefer to get the GSXR600 from the two if that's the difference.

I wonder, what's your opinion on the 2003-2005 R6? I love the way they look. :D

Thanks in advance. :D

The brutal truth is that I think your out of your league and that your trying to run before you can walk. However, I know what it feels like to be 16 - lots of women around you and lots of competition to go with that  ;) . In light of which, I'll try to help:

- Take the restricted license which limit you to 33BHP (not CBT - that will give you L plates) and buy a 600cc of your choice. For legal reasons if you are stopped, the Police will want to see proof that your bike is restricted to 33BHP. There is no physical way of telling that a modern bike is restricted. This is because to limit the bike to 33BHP, they swap the orginal engine ECU (computer) with a 33BHP ECU. The Police will not take the time to investigate and open your bike by the roadside - instead they will expect a certificate from your dealer to prove it has a 33BHP ECU installed. When you buy your bike, get the 33BHP ECU installed (along with the certificate) and when your confidence boosts, you can ask your dealer to remove it. However remember that if the Police become suspicious - they will tow the bike away to be checked at a local garage but it's very rare. If you choose to do this, you do it at your own risk and remember it's not legal unless the certificate is produced and you have a restrictor kit installed on a restricted license basis.  ;)

The 33BHP ECU does not limit the lower power output of the bike (in the case of the GSX650F - thats where all the power is anyway). The 33BHP will only cool down on the power above 6000RPM (which is where the power cuts off using orginal ECU anyway). 33BHP in a 600cc is enough to outrun any car providing it is not a BMW M5 (I've tried and failed).

If you are serious about the Suzuki GSX650F (I owned it by the way) - then Suzuki offer a free restrictor kit which normally costs around 300 pounds if you buy it seperately. The GSX650F will easily keep up with the GSXR600 and will even pop long wheelies to impress the ladies. It will stay with the GSXR600 upto 70mph and will slowly fade off. It's unlikely you will ever do those kind of speeds on local roads and even if you do on the motorway - nobody will care to stop and look. The power is reserved in the lower rev band which is around 7000RPM and is faster then many old racing 600 bikes.

If you want to learn more about the GSX650F and other bikes:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikereviews/searchresults/Bike-Reviews/Suzuki/Suzuki-GSX650F-2007-current/

This is my GSX650F:



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Reply #18 on: November 17, 2010, 07:27:35 pm
You know what I'd say, KTM EXC 400 but then again, that is just because I have one and love it!



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Reply #19 on: November 17, 2010, 09:00:37 pm


What a sexy Hyosung GT125 in the back there. :)



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Reply #20 on: November 17, 2010, 09:04:00 pm
Where?  :cop:



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Reply #21 on: November 17, 2010, 09:07:19 pm
Where?  :cop:

In front of the blue and grey scooter. :)



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Reply #22 on: November 17, 2010, 11:14:51 pm
Gilera DNA sounds great as a first bike, dont you think?

haha!



Huge tires on that thing!
Not to mention the exhaust.


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Reply #23 on: November 18, 2010, 12:15:29 am
Mate, at your age, you cannot possibly be as experienced as a lot of bikers
NIGGA PLS. I'm not a retard who is going to sit on a bike and be like "f**k! THIS SHIT IS AWESOME" and fall off a few minutes later. I have previous riding experience and although I won't be no where near as experienced as someone like Frank, I'm not a complete and utter novice either.

The bikes you suggested don't appeal to me, sorry. :P

The brutal truth is that I think your out of your league and that your trying to run before you can walk. However, I know what it feels like to be 16 - lots of women around you and lots of competition to go with that  ;) .
Haha, I understand what you may think seen as I'm a complete novice compared to you but I think you may be under estimating me. I've ridden plenty of bigger bikes and I completely understand how quick they are.

- Take the restricted license which limit you to 33BHP (not CBT - that will give you L plates) and buy a 600cc of your choice. For legal reasons if you are stopped, the Police will want to see proof that your bike is restricted to 33BHP. There is no physical way of telling that a modern bike is restricted. This is because to limit the bike to 33BHP, they swap the orginal engine ECU (computer) with a 33BHP ECU. The Police will not take the time to investigate and open your bike by the roadside - instead they will expect a certificate from your dealer to prove it has a 33BHP ECU installed. When you buy your bike, get the 33BHP ECU installed (along with the certificate) and when your confidence boosts, you can ask your dealer to remove it. However remember that if the Police become suspicious - they will tow the bike away to be checked at a local garage but it's very rare. If you choose to do this, you do it at your own risk and remember it's not legal unless the certificate is produced and you have a restrictor kit installed on a restricted license basis.  ;)
You must have a CBT (and passed the motorcycle theory test) to take the restricted test, which is why I have it.
I've also done a lot of research about the restriction and what the law is surrounding restricted bikes. It's a bit of a grey area, and as you say it's fairly easy to bypass. From my research you do not need any certificate to prove that your bike is limited to 33BHP. People may say that you will require a certificate or something similar to even get insured, and to show to the cops if you get pulled over but in actuality that is nonsense. There is no requirement for any such certificate legally. Take a look at this article. If a police officer who has reasonable knowledge of bikes wants to see if your bike is restricted or not, there are several ways they can do this. I assume the police officer will ask how has the bike been restricted as modifying the ECU is not the only way to restrict the bike. You can get throttle stops which may limit the bike to something like 9K RPM, you can get restrictors that work in the exhaust and you can get restriction kits from FI International. If the police officer suspects your bike is not restricted, I imagine they have the power to sieze the bike and dyno it. Despite this, I imagine the police will not pull you over for not having a restricted bike unless you get caught doing 0-60 in 4 seconds when the traffic lights turn green.
As for myself, I will not be removing the restrictors until my restriction period is over. If I were to have a crash, the insurers would check the bike to see if it is restricted or not - if they find there is no restriction, they will not pay out and I will be heavily scrutinised by insurers in the future. Furthermore, I could face trouble from the police such as a ban on my license. It would also be fairly irresponsible of me to remove the restriction as it's not like with the restrictors in these bikes are slow, with the restrictors in an R6 will still do 0-60 in around 7-9 seconds and go on to a top speed of about 120 which isn't slow at all.

If you are serious about the Suzuki GSX650F (I owned it by the way) - then Suzuki offer a free restrictor kit which normally costs around 300 pounds if you buy it seperately. The GSX650F will easily keep up with the GSXR600 and will even pop long wheelies to impress the ladies. It will stay with the GSXR600 upto 70mph and will slowly fade off. It's unlikely you will ever do those kind of speeds on local roads and even if you do on the motorway - nobody will care to stop and look. The power is reserved in the lower rev band which is around 7000RPM and is faster then many old racing 600 bikes.

The Suzuki GSX650F is a very, very nice bike (I know you own one :P) but it's not really something I am looking for. I like the Suzuki GSXR600 more simply due to the looks, not because of the performance or anything. Despite the fact they look remarkably similar, I prefer the lower and more race oriented stance of the GSXR600. I intend on sticking to the speed limit anyway, possibly opening up the throttle once in a while when the roads are clear and there's no one about. :D

Thanks a lot for everything you've told me though, I really do appreciate it. It's great that someone as experienced as you can give me tips and share your own experiences with me. I guess I've learned a bit about you and the way you might ride sometimes (I'm referring to racing a BMW M5 and less fear of cops, I'm sure you've had a load of 'fun' experiences :P). Maybe one day I'll manage to go the Ace Cafe and have fun with other bikers. :D

You know what I'd say, KTM EXC 400 but then again, that is just because I have one and love it!
noany ktm man :(

Go for the R6.
I've been thinking more and more about the '03-'05 R6. I think it looks great and the insurance isn't that considering what it is.

Just get a Puch Dakota
Well, its better than the Aprilia. d:



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Reply #24 on: November 18, 2010, 05:45:53 pm
I have to admit, the ULTIMATE bike for me would be the Suzuki GSX-R 1000



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Reply #25 on: November 18, 2010, 09:21:09 pm

I have to admit, the ULTIMATE bike for me would be the Suzuki GSX-R 1000

Suzuki GSX-R 1000 < Yamaha R1

Also, what quote did you get for the R6?


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Reply #26 on: November 18, 2010, 11:48:37 pm
Also, what quote did you get for the R6?
About 2K TPFT, though that's with not so much looking.
If I looked hard, I could probably get a decent quote of around 1500 GBP (pound sign fucks up message).




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Reply #28 on: November 20, 2010, 01:15:18 pm
omg Frank, you have just posted a picture of that bike, and now I cannot stop thinking about it :(

damn you man.  :D



 


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