Is the Argonath Vision blurred? Do we need glasses?

[Kenny.]

Well, I would really like to take you up on it. As I am quite sure that for a criminal nothing would change.

Officer joins server, goes to LSPD /duty then weapons room /weaponequip full everything, see civilian speeding issue a ticket for 10k, civilian pay? then officer is 10 richer, civilian not pay? /su then combat in the ass. civilian moans and moans...admin comes and bans for moan.

You sure nothing will change now?

Finally, It's not curses fault people react badly to ideas and suggestions for change, it's yours and everyones elses fault these topics cause "Fuss"

Actually this is curse fault as he is known for this clandestine way of posting on the forums.

I would understand if someone came up with an idea post it and once the public starts to to disucss the original poster should be defending his believe and the idea, however curse is known for the bitch movements he does when he creats topic, i implore you to go and search topics created by curse and you will see what am talking about

"hey guys, i think such and such is not good /discuss"

[Pandalink]

If everything was fair, then why would i want to spend my time working for my officer rank if it gave me no advantage at all?

Because you enjoy working as a police officer? Because it is easier to organise when you're in a group than when you're not?
Did you actually just type that? Are you really claiming you only became SAPD for free weapons? Oh, SafetyMoose..

These post-RS2 SAPD cops get on my nerves, seriously. In RS2 there was absolutely no script differentiation between ARPD and non-ARPD, and nobody gave a shit. Everyone worked together, it was just more efficient if you were from the same department.
Also, I could quite similarly say "why would I spend my time building a criminal group if it gave me no advantage at all?" but I'd know the answer already - and that is that I enjoy playing the game as a criminal.


Damn, guys.

[Deam]

Because you enjoy working as a police officer? Because it is easier to organise when you're in a group than when you're not?
Did you actually just type that? Are you really claiming you only became SAPD for free weapons? Oh, SafetyMoose..

These post-RS2 SAPD cops get on my nerves, seriously. In RS2 there was absolutely no script differentiation between ARPD and non-ARPD, and nobody gave a shit. Everyone worked together, it was just more efficient if you were from the same department.
Also, I could quite similarly say "why would I spend my time building a criminal group if it gave me no advantage at all?" but I'd know the answer already - and that is that I enjoy playing the game as a criminal.


Damn, guys.

You know...Cops...they're strange...

[Jubin]

Officer joins server, goes to LSPD /duty then weapons room /weaponequip full everything, see civilian speeding issue a ticket for 10k, civilian pay? then officer is 10 richer, civilian not pay? /su then combat in the ass. civilian moans and moans...admin comes and bans for moan.

You sure nothing will change now?

First of all Argonath SAMP rules for all the cops taken from rules:

Police rules:


    * Always give suspects a chance to surrender before attacking them.
    * Do not injure suspects who surrender.
    * Nobody can be forced to stay inside the jail after the scripted time expires.
    * In bank robberies/kidnappings/similar situations, suspect all the criminals related and give them a chance to give up before opening fire.</div>

Now if a suspect does not pay and you suspect him/her, you have to give him chance to surrender. Knowing all of that suspect can easily escape with his/her before you have a chance to kill him/her. After what normal chase of the orange dot once again starts, no changes there.

[SugarD]

Difference was not my choice, nor my wish.

Scripters probably implemented this under pressure of players who feel that SMG is not to be handled by a non-trained officers. Of course listening to players is what we should do...

It goes both ways. If the experienced players bothered to correctly teach the new people, letting them have SMG would not be an issue, but at the same time many regulars abuse it themselves. Same thing goes for the other point of view in which regulars don't want new players having it because new players will mass-DM with it, whereas it is unfair for new players to not be treated as equals like the regulars. Throwing yet another point in there, it gives new players something to look forward to as a bonus when they are eventually promoted, and for regulars it's a way for them to show that they did something great and earned their rights to have that weapon. Just like gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, abortion, and the like, it's a complex topic in which could go on forever.

[BlackBird]

It goes both ways. If the experienced players bothered to correctly teach the new people, letting them have SMG would not be an issue, but at the same time many regulars abuse it themselves. Same thing goes for the other point of view in which regulars don't want new players having it because new players will mass-DM with it, whereas it is unfair for new players to not be treated as equals like the regulars. Throwing yet another point in there, it gives new players something to look forward to as a bonus when they are eventually promoted, and for regulars it's a way for them to show that they did something great and earned their rights to have that weapon. Just like gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, abortion, and the like, it's a complex topic in which could go on forever.

First off, It's nothing like gay marriage, leagalizing weed, or abortion.
Secondly, you say regulars abuse the smg, but we don't want new players to have it because they would abuse?
How about we just remove it completely, that would solve both problems.
New players shouldn't have to look forward to the smg, it shoulod be available for them, if they abuse it, it should be removed, plain and simple.

I'm all for Returning to the more balanced, more equal, sop scripts that were in RS1 and 2.
Everyone could be FBI, Everyone could be cop, ARPD was still around, and the only advantage of that was "Advanced training and access to increased teamwork"
People could make their own cop groups, without being told by people in ARPD that their group was bullshit.
If cops wanted M4, or SMG they would buy it.
Yes, they were like everyone else in the server, except with a blue name, some free guns, and the ability to /su and arrest.
I'm sure by now people who play cops are like "OMG WTF IS THE POINT OF BEING A COP THEN, IT"S SO UNFAIR"
No it's not unfair, It's more fair then what we have now, cops complain about it being unfair that criminals get these powerful guns, but they don't really, they pay out the ass for them, while cops keep getting more and more script support, Criminal groups are essentially for all comparative purposes, ARPD when it started.

[Shockk]

Yes all citizens of argonath.. corleones, straccies, araatus..etc can go and protest with using m4 and combat shotgun 

wat  :conf:

[Caltson]

I don't get this.

You say "Is the Argonath Vision blurred? Do we need glasses? "
If you think everyone is equal, why do you seperate the community in 'cops' and 'criminals' ?
We are ONE community, wether you are a suspect, cop, driver, mexican, a male dressed up in a chicken suit, i don't care! We are ONE.

In my vision, the Argonath vision isn't blurred at all, and we espescially don't need glasses, There must be learned to treat each other equal more, Stop insulting each other, stop saying 'pwned cop ' in main chat, stop saying 'fucking suspect, you noob", Stop all that, instead of that, you can just roleplay as one community, help each other and be fair.

About the ARPD and SAPD... I see that as an oppertunity to 'grow' in your carrier, more oppertunities that open new pathways.
Same as criminal groups isn't it? You join the group beceause you like it, and you have to oppertunity to open new things...

So basicly, we are ONE community, with several groups you can join. THATS the vision in my opinion.
Stop picking on each other, stop bitching and provoking, STOP 'just' shooting someone beceause he annoys you.

Basicly i can keep going on here, but what i'm going to do, and what i advise all of you do, is go ingame and adjust the attitude to an assertive one. Respect the other members.

[Hess]

I'm all for Returning to the more balanced, more equal, sop scripts that were in RS1 and 2.
Everyone could be FBI, Everyone could be cop, ARPD was still around, and the only advantage of that was "Advanced training and access to increased teamwork"

Ah.... Those were the days!

Argonath evolving has a lot of negatives... but I guess it has also has its positives...

[Shammy_Araatus]

For one thing, proper english, learn it plz.

Finally, It's not curses fault people react badly to ideas and suggestions for change, it' yours and everyones elses fault these topics cause "Fuss"

Oh look, he is talking about writing proper English.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

About the ARPD and SAPD... I see that as an oppertunity to 'grow' in your carrier, more oppertunities that open new pathways.

The founder of the Navy CoastGuard Hiro_Alterlis and Vice Admiral,  he did not have time, so entrusted me, even though I have time and tried to put effort, and got a bit of support (not just for the group - like I say a lot, I encourage everyone who wants to rp CoastGuard to use the helis, boats), it'd just continue to be extremely difficult to expand if there is no simple things like /r, /e /pilot access and /boat (idea I've suggested in past) then it'd be as I said before, really difficult, as it is now..., these things would make it wonderful, we used to use [EMS], [FD] Helis but then a lot of Firemen and EMS where like "Aww, I wanted heli", so we let them have it, and the server, although under the name of "CoastGuard" ended up receiving some helis.

For your daily talk group, you can maybe sign up for something in your region in real life.

The last few days, including today I've spent literally hours after, during and before my lessons in college to do my part as a College Student Council Member, I speak to the principal and other managers directly, voicing the concerns of not just the teachers but also some of the staff.
The other day I was running upstairs and downstairs (4 story building) , through corridors , pushing past heavy doors to get paper work done, which I didn't really need to do.
I've been organizing smooth access for students in my course to receive (all together) 9,100 pounds for purchasing equipment etc.



If you guys want to focus on my "moans" rather then what I want to tell you then so be it.
Personally I don't care if SAPD closes (but why do you think it will??), I like almost all of the officers (except Vince, he no give me UC), because I know the cop RP will still continue, SAPD is just a brand, the officers make it.

No matter what organization, people should get access to anything that would help there roleplay, make it fun, do you know how frustrating it is knowing that a SAPD person is driving (who has SMG), and you're in the back seat, but cant use a SMG to destroy someone, because well, in a high speed pursuit / there is no time to exchange weapons, and well it's his SMG, it's suddenly not fair to deprive him, but the freecop is deprived and has to live with it - even if the cop can reduty, he shouldn't have to, and the freecop shouldn't have to be attended to (however kind they may be) by the SAPD officers in question.

And forget it, I cant be bothered to join SAPD, and live by the ever changing rules and procedures, as well as the fact I  will not be able to roleplay with a wider range of opportunity as much as I want because I became SAPD for the SMG and BLue name / script support. I would not be loyal to SAPD, and I shouldn't just join them just to get the advantages, the idea doesn't feel good with me.

So basicly, we are ONE community, with several groups you can join. THATS the vision in my opinion.

We need much more wider oppurtunity to get as much respect and emotional aswell as phyiscal (scripted) support for the many groups.
Argonath Army of 2009 was doing very well, but for some reason no organization or credible person wanted to support them / give them respect, they where repeatedly suspected and accused of DM / wanting to turn Argonath into a Military dictatorship or w.e bullshit.

Gandalf, you need to decide, are you going to put an end to the unwritten (apart from email back to my email) rule saying "No support for any more (policing) groups"???

How will people be allowed to access good opportunity if they do not want to be SAPD / FBI?

How can you expect Gvardia / Ancelotti / Araatus / Corleone (which where made OFFICIAL) to bring more equal opportunity when so much is focused on the SAPD?




Despite what you people may say "OMG WHY IS IT ALWAYS COPS VS ROBBERS", it's really not, you're being close minded, this also concerns many groups, cop or not, robber or not.

[BlackBird]

Ah.... Those were the days!

Argonath evolving has a lot of negatives... but I guess it has also has its positives...

I Agree, and when argonath had the classic server up no one played even though everyone wanted to "Experience the classic Argonath"
I Miss the homegrown cop groups, while there are "cop groups" around now, they are all discriminated against by ARPD for "Not being official".
Same as freecops, and if anything goes wrong in arpd it's the freecops fault.
Yes, Argonath evolving has lots of positives and negatives, but if something worked better in the past then it does in the future, wouldn't it be the wiser thing to return to that?

Oh look, he is talking about writing proper English.

I would appreciate a few things, for one, I would love for you to learn how to properly quote without removing parts of what was there in a fail attempt to troll.
Second, Proper English, and proper punctuation are different things, you'll notice that it's still a complete properly using the english language without improper uses of words.
Third, Trolling, you fail at it.

[Nexxt]

Because as with any other server it's far from perfect, why is talking so wrong?

If it was talking it was fine, but this is not just talking anymore.....

Granted this is an idea, and it is in the wrong section, but there is a section on this forum devoted to ideas, so the public may express their oppinion.

Then still it's in the wrong section?

Unfortunately for you i doubt theirs a IRL "Argonath ideas" group wandering around in his region that rent community centers and hold meetings.

I am not in the need for a talk group, I am sorry.

For one thing, proper english, learn it plz.

And pointing people at their English who are not English from origine, on a community with people from allover the world, is lame (not everyone speaks native English) and still wondering who are the one without respect for others in this community..... :redface:

Finally, It's not curses fault people react badly to ideas and suggestions for change, it's yours and everyones elses fault these topics cause "Fuss"

I do not agree, see the amount of topics which did not had any "sense".

Sorry for my bad English, I hope you will not get hurt by it, BlackBird.

[BlackBird]

Sorry for my bad English, I hope you will not get hurt by it, BlackBird.

Not hurt, just hard to comprehend sometimes.
Sorry if I offended you, wasn't my intent, i forget there are people from all over here sometimes :roll:

[Leon.]

Just to throw it out there: Passports and licenses violate the Argonath Vision.

5.   Argonath leaders will accept new rules and scripts only if they fit the vision. If any suggestion is limiting the possibility to play for new players, strives to give advantage to more experienced players, or creates a more complex rule that would make it hard to understand or follow, it will be rejected, regardless of how much support there is from the community

2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another.

New players cannot buy a house, hotel, or car without a passport, which requires to be registered for at least 7 days minimum. New players cannot use any other skin other than the security guard skin without a passport.

Attempts to argue this statement with anything like MTA:VC HAD IT or NO IT DOESNT or attempting to change up my words will indefinitely make one a total bullshitter, as passports require some time for playing, which limits the playing of any player under one week old, particularly some rights that make the game more playable. Should Gandalf argue this statement, then I'm sorry to say that he will have contradicted himself.

Prove me wrong.