Suspects not allowed to get backup

[Cero]

The answer of Aragorn was intended for present members.

Think for a moment this is not a game but real life (yeah I know...).
You are a mafia and when you come near your HQ you see cops trying to arrest some of your friends/members. What do you do ?
1. Killing some cops so more stronger forces will come making escape impossible and ensure you die.
2. Lay low not to be noticed as you do not want to be arrested or killed so you can run the company further
3. Let someone cause a distraction so you can help you friends escape to a quiet place

Just think of what would make the most sense...

Why is there such a rule on Argonath that you can not help your friends in a shootout with cops? You constantly tell us that this is not a Real-life RP server, but when it comes to this we have to act like it was "real-life", if you can call it that.

If criminals want to help their friends who are in a pinch, why are they being stopped from doing so? If criminals want to escape by killing all the cops involved in a situation, they should be allowed to.
The options for what a suspect can do has always been:

• Surrender
• Run
• Fight until death

Doing what I described above would be a mix of option 3 and 2. You kill all the cops and then you run. Police units can return as many times as they want, call backup, etc. While criminals can't return OR call for backup. They SHOULD be allowed to call for backup, I do not understand why you say it is not realistic, why should it even matter? This is Argonath RPG, a world of it's own.

It was never a problem before some cops decided to moan about getting shot in the back. Do you ever see a criminal moaning that he got shot in the back during a shootout? Deal with it.

I'd like to hear some opinions on this matter.

Regards
A Law Enforcer

[Jcstodds]

  There are 2 main problems from administrators point of view - which are

1. Deathmatching - shooting without no RP reason: Occurs when random guy comes up to cops and with no explanation or roleplay just starts blasting (to defend friends). Everyone should know the RP reason - even if you are same clan tag. This can easily be done by introducing your intentions through /s on scene. Unless of course they are shooting, then use common sense. Cops will moan because they try not shoot innocent bystanders, when the bystander then starts raping them from behind for no apparent reason...

2. Alamo type shootouts. Also known as copbaiting to some extent. Criminals will gather together purposely closing themselves in for a large to the death shootout. There is no intent to surrender or run or roleplay. This attracts many many players to the scene who have nothing to do with previous RP - only turn up to shoot at cops. Such events are not allowed as they rarely have any RP background at all. Usually it is some lame bullshit "kidnapping" where a million civilians/criminals are called in to defend the hostage from cops...

  Criminals priority should be to live either through escaping or taking the punishment.

  So as long as it does not conflict with the above two points, and your friends have RP reason to help (and that RP reason is known by everyone involved so there are no doubts) then no one has any problem with your friends helping.

[Kent]

Since when players are not allowed to backup their friends?

[EminemRulez]

Why not new rules?

Criminals are not allowed to do crimes.
Cops get minigun when on-duty.
Cops have access to administrator commands: /gotocriminal [ID]
Cops have unlimited ammu.
Criminals are not allowed to shoot back - if you're dying, /gu.
Criminals may not avoid paying the ticket. You must pay or get ban.

  There are 2 main problems from administrators point of view - which are

1. Deathmatching - shooting without no RP reason: Occurs when random guy comes up to cops and with no explanation or roleplay just starts blasting (to defend friends). Everyone should know the RP reason - even if you are same clan tag. This can easily be done by introducing your intentions through /s on scene. Unless of course they are shooting, then use common sense. Cops will moan because they try not shoot innocent bystanders, when the bystander then starts raping them from behind for no apparent reason...

2. Alamo type shootouts. Also known as copbaiting to some extent. Criminals will gather together purposely closing themselves in for a large to the death shootout. There is no intent to surrender or run or roleplay. This attracts many many players to the scene who have nothing to do with previous RP - only turn up to shoot at cops. Such events are not allowed as they rarely have any RP background at all. Usually it is some lame bullshit "kidnapping" where a million civilians/criminals are called in to defend the hostage from cops...

Well...
If you'd remove all the stuff which avoids any of rules beeing broken, admins would not be needed at all...

[Altair_Carter]

Weren't you IVMP Admin?

[TheGreasyChopper]

YOU f**kING WITH ME?!  Next thing you know suspects cant enter houses/bizz, cant drive vehicles, cant have weapons and armour. Cops get LSPD cruisers replaced with Rhinos and SWAT tanks, they get armour, heat seeking rockets,satchels,chainsaws and miniguns? OR BETTER YET! The ability to BAN suspects! Jesus...
If you dont want your suspect to get backup, go with another officer -.-

[Caltson]

YOU f**kING WITH ME?!  Next thing you know suspects cant enter houses/bizz, cant drive vehicles, cant have weapons and armour. Cops get LSPD cruisers replaced with Rhinos and SWAT tanks, they get armour, heat seeking rockets and miniguns? Jesus...
If you dont want your suspect to get backup, go with another officer -.-

What a good suggestion right here!

[Cero]

Weren't you IVMP Admin?

I was. What does that have to do with anything?

[TheRock]

I would like that people can call for back-up like cops can, but not return, that would be fair enough in my view!

//3000

[Caltson]

I would like that people can call for back-up like cops can, but not return, that would be fair enough in my view!

//3000

Congratz man   

[Altair_Carter]

I was. What does that have to do with anything?

Just checkin' in.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Dissallow cops returning after death/ allow suspects returning after death and I will agree with this topic. Nowadays you cant have a good kidnap, all you know is barricaded in a house, cops outside, SWAT/FBI giving FREE weapons to cops who /resetspawn outside, die, get weapons do it again and again untill all suspects down or /gued.

[Void]

Disallowing policemen to return after dieing ends RP/shootouts.
I mean, they are dead. How can they return to any other crime scene?

Allowing criminals to return will make an endless DM. All returning from all sides just to get a piece of action.
TGChopper, your proposition is impossible.

TheRock: Its called a channel.


Only way players could help their suspected friends is by DRIVING to the scene and picking them up(not shooting). Then we can discuss as there is a 100% that the driver will also get suspected.

Briefly said, its called D.I.S.T.R.A.C.T.I.O.N. Distracting does not necessarily mean "Oh em gee, come and shoot them as I get my butt out".
Run into a barricade, immobilize a few police vehicles and drive your friend away. Don't barge in and start shooting .... you're not Steven Seagal.
As an orange-man, you're able to do whatever you want. Even shoot officers who assault you.


If any of you is so fucking frustrated with his role and thinks there is some superior role among you, SWITCH TO THAT ROLE!
Do you have to constantly RP just one role. What the fuck is going on?! Do you people have any imagination?

[9r2e5i3k]

Nowadays you cant have a good kidnap, all you know is barricaded in a house, cops outside, SWAT/FBI giving FREE weapons to cops who /resetspawn outside, die, get weapons do it again and again untill all suspects down or /gued.

Good kidnap, meaning you call COPS to bring you money (which I see as plain copbaiting - "hey cops! we have kidnapped someone, come here to our HQ and pay us") for kidnapping someone either totally random, some high-ranked cop or your friend who plainly agreed to be an assumed hostage so you can camp and blast cops?

Ever heard the line "... and don't call the cops" ?

Shooting cops just because someone from your family/mafia/gang is wanted was never allowed (was never allowed to shoot cops "to help" a criminal, and I don't remember any exceptions for "same gang" being made), but I guess it was not monitored enough on the SAMP server, hence some people assumed it's allowed if they haven't been caught early enough. Now if someone countered their argument/"rp reason", they only went "omg we're doing this for ages so it MUST be allowed".

It's same level of not being allowed as civilians ramming/killing suspects "because they're helping cops" - wanna help cops - be a cop.

Dissallow cops returning after death/ allow suspects returning after death and I will agree with this topic.

Disallowing policemen to return after dieing ends RP/shootouts.
I mean, they are dead. How can they return to any other crime scene?

"Cop" is a generic role. You can respawn as "another" cop. "Criminal"/"suspect" is not a generic role. After you die for your crime, you're dead but can respawn as "another" criminal and commit crimes again.

Your argument is based on assumption that Argonath is a "one role" server. Wrong. You can play/change as many roles as you want.


Oh and if you really think that "having same tag is a valid reason to help (by killing cops) wanted friend from same group" is allowed then analogically cops should be able to suspect EVERYONE from your group if just one of your members is wanted and you have NO permission to moan about it.

But this is not allowed anyway, because of the deathmatching it would produce.

[Void]

Because half of the server considers "helping a friend in trouble" as "Hey boys, strap on some heat, we're goin' copping!".
That's why its not allowed.