Clearing out ''cophunting'' - read before posting

[Klaus]

Saving this quote,because you just betrayed yourself,admitting to kill for fun all day long.

Lol. Sorry Emre but I guess your the only one who acturally thinks I'm being serious
Scorpions - Tokyo Tapes - Hound Dog "You ain't nothin' but a hound dog, cryin' all the time"

[Davron]

So This Is The Topic.Where it gives us EAFpeople to be flamed left right and center?I give klaus credit for handling those spazes

[Dexter]

Lol. Sorry Emre but I guess your the only one who acturally thinks I'm being serious

Of course. You're the only one here with shooting experience as you tend to kill for fun every day.

Now, the point: That's NOT right. I mean, what the f**k, we weren't even thinking in engage at the time then you guys suddenly pop up to KILL us...

from my point of view, i can just simply copy and paste what leonardo sayid.  :roll:

 :poke:

[Kessu]

Ofc this topic knew a shitstorm, what did you expect Leo..?
There are these retards (no offense) like Emre & Aksel only knowing how to whine for the ones actually playing on the server.. Guess they're just jealous for not being able to RP / DM as good as we do.

Onto topic;
It was cophuntin, I admit, but at the same time, it is quite on par if it was rulebreaking or not. We were going to kidnap you anyways, this way you end up dead unfortunately..

And the ppl saying this is DM server; Fuck off please.

[Klaus]

Dexter, you really should listen to your nephew more. You might learn a few things. I thought I was the only one who thought this topic has no real point and is just for 'those' to whine more. But yes Kessu kudos to you for the best reply here.

I do find it hard to act serious here because it really is a waste of time. I looked at the logs earlier (for other reasons) and saw that Neal got a group together and planned a kidnap. Leo, if you going to sit in a cop car a few yards away from the EAF HQ, expect to pull some attention. The criminals come over trying to kidnap and the cops do nothing but sit in their cars because Leo went crazy and said so on the radio. So the criminals get inpatient and according to Zerox a newb cop opened fire. Boom a gun fight opens up and as Leo said, the cops don't stand much of a chance.

It's not like the criminals just came over to the cops and began shooting. Yes there was itchy fingers and it wasn't going to take much for a shooting to take place, but there was talk and there was a motive for it.

[Leonardo]

Alright i'll try to go on steps:

Well, yea, 3 times maybe or more, but eh ? 4 or 5 dudes shooting at me: M60s, M4, molotovs, stubbys, spazzes, wtf man, I'm not superman, and I was alone (no offence to Marcell, he even said I was alone  )!

Damm, gear 5 usage will be increased from now on then! That should've been done a damm while ago.

Onto topic;
It was cophuntin, I admit, but at the same time, it is quite on par if it was rulebreaking or not. We were going to kidnap you anyways, this way you end up dead unfortunately..

Check what i replied to Klaus on the 3rd paragraph of the 2nd quote.

I do find it hard to act serious here because it really is a waste of time. I looked at the logs earlier (for other reasons) and saw that Neal got a group together and planned a kidnap. Leo, if you going to sit in a cop car a few yards away from the EAF HQ, expect to pull some attention. The criminals come over trying to kidnap and the cops do nothing but sit in their cars because Leo went crazy and said so on the radio. So the criminals get inpatient and according to Zerox a newb cop opened fire. Boom a gun fight opens up and as Leo said, the cops don't stand much of a chance.

What i actually find hard to stand up and act serious is the current situation in the server overall, but i won't pull this discussion now as i'd go completly off-topic.

Obviously i did headed to Prawn Island aware that it's a heated criminal zone, even more with this ''meeting'', but i don't know from where ZeRoX did pull this ''newb cop'' as the only cops in Prawn Island were me and DaniGold, unless another cop came after and i didn't saw...

It's not like the criminals just came over to the cops and began shooting. Yes there was itchy fingers and it wasn't going to take much for a shooting to take place, but there was talk and there was a motive for it.

Actually it was exactly like the described, unless my memory's failing, or something. I can remember me and DaniGold in the car then a furious crowd of guys with guns approach and someone (i think Neal or other EAF) shouted ''KILL HIM!!!!!'', i told immediatly to DaniGold to get back in the car as we had no defense at all against 7-8 guys well-armed but our car just exploded.

There was itchy fingers? Yes, there always is. The gun seems to speak more than the mouth.

A motive? Because you were going to kidnap me? What kind of a group attempts to kidnap someone then suddenly change plans and decide to order everyone to shoot and kill the hostage for no reason instead of dragging him out of the car or something? That plan seemed to be a huge fail. And i don't know from where did you pulled the ''there was talk'' as the only thing i heard were M4 sounds in my cruiser's hood and ''KILL HIM!!!!''.

[~Legend~]

There's always this "cops vs. criminals" going on. I think we may be getting a little too caught up in it now - if we're having to have all these threads about changes.

I think a fundamental thing that's being lost is the RP - if more people made an attempt at it (let's forget the freecops and focus on regulars) maybe we wouldn't need all this.

And about this topic - why would you want to suddenly kill the person that you were going to kidnap? 

[Klaus]

why would you want to suddenly kill the person that you were going to kidnap?

What kind of a group attempts to kidnap someone then suddenly change plans and decide to order everyone to shoot and kill the hostage for no reason instead of dragging him out of the car or something? That plan seemed to be a huge fail.

If your talking to me, remember not to use "you" like I was there. I wasn't there at the time and the situation didn't involve me. I'm just going by what I've been told and the logs. So yes I don't have a as clear view as the people who were there at the time.

i sent those people to kill those cops.Simple reason.We was planning to kidnap their chief.I don't know any police cmds so i don't know if they have some bugging cmd or spying cmd...

From readings it seems Neal was calling the shots and was in charge at the time, originally planning to kidnap Leo. He did order his men to open fire, the reason I'm still unsure about. It seems it was out of paranoia that you were planning something concerning the criminals who were wanted at the time. As you said Leo, you was alert that you were entering a heated criminal zone, so I would think you'd have some sort of awareness that the criminals may come towards you with a hostile manner. I personally don't think it was a too much of a surprise for you that the criminals did. The other cop involved was [DZ]Sisly.

[Kessu]

I don't actually remember anyone shouting KILL HIM, probably haven't seen it as I didn't go too far off from EAFs HQ.. Was testing the range of M4 a bit :p

But anyways, I can admit that there was a fault in us storming in, I have no idea who fired first, but I was one of the first of us shooting you, but then again like Klaus said, if you come to heated area with wanteds in it, with some other guys, don't expect to stay there for a long time...

Maybe Neal told us to attack you, because he thought you may be calling in reinforcments or something (Neal never told a reason why to attack)...
But from my opinion, not that much harm was done back there, that it'd need such an topic like this, tho' it is good to have one

I've given my point of view now, just ask if something's bothering you.

[Dexter]

Dexter, you really should listen to your nephew more. You might learn a few things. I thought I was the only one who thought this topic has no real point and is just for 'those' to whine more. But yes Kessu kudos to you for the best reply here.

Sorry to hear that you actually think that I can learn something from Kessu's disrespecting style. Tho only proves that there is no friendly atmosphere over VCMP anymore. I mean seriously. Do you really think that things will work out by way that you only show middle finger to those who are worried about situation? Works as ingame thing as roleplay but as manager you could have even some intrest to problems instead of telling them to fuck off. Little hint for ya : That's exaclty the problem here. Things would be so much easier to you if you can hear them out and show little intrest. Tho have to say that now you have done that in this topic but also you have been made those comments to show how less you care about this. So it's not me here who should read and learn from someone as I am not around this server anymore as I've seen it will not fit my goals anymore. So good luck.

[Kessu]

Sorry to hear that you actually think that I can learn something from Kessu's disrespecting style. Tho only proves that there is no friendly atmosphere over VCMP anymore. I mean seriously. Do you really think that things will work out by way that you only show middle finger to those who are worried about situation? Works as ingame thing as roleplay but as manager you could have even some intrest to problems instead of telling them to f**k off. Little hint for ya : That's exaclty the problem here. Things would be so much easier to you if you can hear them out and show little intrest. Tho have to say that now you have done that in this topic but also you have been made those comments to show how less you care about this. So it's not me here who should read and learn from someone as I am not around this server anymore as I've seen it will not fit my goals anymore. So good luck.

And yet doing like everyone here, coming to judge what happens in the server while your not actually playing it.

Klaus never told anyone to fuck off, I did. And my disrespecting style in this topic comes from the to posters in the first page, called Emre and Aksel.

[Dexter]

And yet doing like everyone here, coming to judge what happens in the server while your not actually playing it.

Klaus never told anyone to f**k off, I did. And my disrespecting style in this topic comes from the to posters in the first page, called Emre and Aksel.

You of all people should know that I am not coming to tell my opinions if I do not know anything of it.

And yeah gosh I think you are right. He never used those kinda words exaclty but style of his words are just like that.

Tho I feel this situation is bothering both sides (deny if u want but that is so) and not that it makes any difference to me anymore but would be nice if it all get sorted out but it recuires respect from BOTH sides. And that I haven't seen yet. Only protecting themselves with disrespecting others. So yeah that's about me not knowing things..you know it might work on regular SAMP players who got a lot bad looks around here, but not to me.

[Kessu]

And yeah gosh I think you are right. He never used those kinda words exaclty but style of his words are just like that.

Doesn't that already show he has respect towards others, not telling things straight?

But anyways, won't be continuing this from now on, too much off-topic.
And yes, your right, to solve problem like this does require respect from both sides, but we already have the respect towards each others in VCMP, these things just happen every now and then and when they do happen, shitstorm like this always comes up. This kind of situation happened first time since I came back into VCMP and it already has such an populated topic like this.

Only real way I can think of to avoid these kind of situations is cops not coming that close to wanted players, EVEN they just stand still.
And yes Dexter, I remember even you attacking cops like that back in 2009-2010, we all have done that, there are just the players who keep doing it and the ones accusing others of cophunting now-a-days...

[Dexter]

Doesn't that already show he has respect towards others, not telling things straight?

But anyways, won't be continuing this from now on, too much off-topic.
And yes, your right, to solve problem like this does require respect from both sides, but we already have the respect towards each others in VCMP, these things just happen every now and then and when they do happen, shitstorm like this always comes up. This kind of situation happened first time since I came back into VCMP and it already has such an populated topic like this.

Only real way I can think of to avoid these kind of situations is cops not coming that close to wanted players, EVEN they just stand still.
And yes Dexter, I remember even you attacking cops like that back in 2009-2010, we all have done that, there are just the players who keep doing it and the ones accusing others of cophunting now-a-days...

Yeah well one example of being respectfull is that using his own radio show to mock peeps. And not only there.

This problem have been up very long time already and yeah it pops out time to times but there is no progress to fix it and that makes me sad about it and that's why I comment here. I know my style can be annoying but for you to know that I do after all hope that you guys find a way to handle these.

And did you just blamed me for cop hunting? Because I never have done that

[Marcus]

Actually it was exactly like the described, unless my memory's failing, or something. I can remember me and DaniGold in the car then a furious crowd of guys with guns approach and someone (i think Neal or other EAF) shouted ''KILL HIM!!!!!'', i told immediatly to DaniGold to get back in the car as we had no defense at all against 7-8 guys well-armed but our car just exploded.

You know what I mean, hard eh? 

But anyways, I can admit that there was a fault in us storming in, I have no idea who fired first, but I was one of the first of us shooting you, but then again like Klaus said, if you come to heated area with wanteds in it, with some other guys, don't expect to stay there for a long time...

Amen. My experience tells exactly what you said.

Doesn't that already show he has respect towards others, not telling things straight?

But anyways, won't be continuing this from now on, too much off-topic.
And yes, your right, to solve problem like this does require respect from both sides, but we already have the respect towards each others in VCMP, these things just happen every now and then and when they do happen, shitstorm like this always comes up. This kind of situation happened first time since I came back into VCMP and it already has such an populated topic like this.

We're dogs and weekend fags, what else can we do? (no hard feelings btw) 
If you can't beat them, join them, right ?