The use of /gu and 'surrendered' suspects - Made perfectly clear! READ THIS

[shitix]

Personally i see /gu as someone who has been cuffed in real life.

Still some people escape the law WITH hands cuffed on their back In Real Life, but thats not the point.

I see this gets abused too much, some cops prefer to kill before you get the chanse to do anything. And some criminals prefer the "OK OK I SURRENDER PLZ DONT KEEL I HAF MANY WEPS" and as stupid as i am, i trust the criminal and gives him the RolePlay he says he want and in return, he kills me.. I mostly try to RP giving up to cops when i play criminal but i dont often get RP in return, what i get is a one way ticket to Jail/death.

I realy hope most people will start following this rule.

[EminemRulez]

Still some people escape the law WITH hands cuffed on their back In Real Life, but thats not the point.

I see this gets abused too much, some cops prefer to kill before you get the chanse to do anything. And some criminals prefer the "OK OK I SURRENDER PLZ DONT KEEL I HAF MANY WEPS" and as stupid as i am, i trust the criminal and gives him the RolePlay he says he want and in return, he kills me.. I mostly try to RP giving up to cops when i play criminal but i dont often get RP in return, what i get is a one way ticket to Jail/death.

I realy hope most people will start following this rule.

You're supposed to RP not only because you "like the suspect" and want to give him a chance...
It's your duty, your mission, and your game to roleplay - else, you're nothing doing anything.
Shouldn't be a privilege to some criminals for you to RP, and others be shot in the ass.

Change your attitude, and others will do after you...

[TinMan]

Personally i see /gu as someone who has been cuffed in real life. A suspect can say all he wnats that he has surrendered but the cop wouldnt trust him unless he has cuffed him, the cop might search him and such however they usually do this once the suspect is cuffed and not before.

This can be applied to Argonath i dont trust someone who says i surrender, however i wouldnt be hostile to them...once they /gu i can then resume on searching them and roleplay, the /gu is like cuff if translated into a real life.

This is my view point of the /gu function, dont come with the bull crap of Real life comparing, this is just a relatively small example and a personal view point.

I do have to agree with you on the fact that /gu is the same as being cuffed in real-life.
Personally, I never had an issue where a criminal says /gu is being forced roleplay, and I've been a cop for a year now. Basically, the /gu is a protection to the criminal and it is a big confirmation that they actually surrendered to the officer. The /gu command isn't force roleplay, and I don't see how criminals complain about the /gu command.

[shitix]

You're supposed to RP not only because you "like the suspect" and want to give him a chance...
It's your duty, your mission, and your game to roleplay - else, you're nothing doing anything.
Shouldn't be a privilege to some criminals for you to RP, and others be shot in the ass.

Change your attitude, and others will do after you...

Dunno what you saw in this, but what i ment is that some people dont want to roleplay when cops comes, its like "omfg cops again lets kill em before they start abusing!"
I have played cop and criminal so i know how both sides gets abused whatsoever, but what you cant expect from some people is RP.

I myself find it very fun when a cop comes to acualy RP suspecting me and take me to jail and shit, because i dont realy prefer the /su 42 assault. /s1. /kill 

Just telling the truth from my eyes.

[Jcstodds]

   This is a role playing game. Use some imagination. If your limit to imagination is getting a suspect and taking him to jail with some generic words then I would feel sorry for you.

  Like said already. This is not a new rule, just somewhat forgotten. I am an admin who enforces this and cops and criminals get punished for abusing trust of players. Game is meant for fun for everyone in community. Get that into your heads.

  Every time I see the attitude of "I was abused so now I will abuse" "Someone DMed me so I now DM" "Admins don't do shit" "this guy didn't RP so now I will not RP" - and its always someone elses fault. More than anything on this topic.

  Reflect on yourself and think - Am I a person who does not RP because they won't RP MY WAY?

i dont trust someone who says i surrender, however i wouldnt be hostile to them...once they /gu i can then resume on searching them and roleplay, the /gu is like cuff if translated into a real life.

   You too, although I know you are fair Kenny, you still refuse to RP unless you have full control over player? That is quite sadistic. If it is all about trust, then why not trust? It's only a game after all. Of course there are a few players who will take advantage, but admins are here to help keep it fair.

  You have high rank in SAPD - which means you automatically get most trust from criminal side. Use to your advantage! You might be surprised at criminals RP when you are not constantly trying to get them to bend over backwards in your favour.


  All in all though, these are the rules and they were always there. It is up to players how they want to RP. Keep it fun and fair and you will not have any problems.

[Jcstodds]

The /gu command was made to protect the suspect, not to force them to use it.
If we say you are not allowed to force roleplay, this is one prome example.

As cop you shall NEVER shoot a suspect that is not showing weapons and cooperates.
If that leads to the suspect killing you, not only can you report him, but also you are allowed to send out a "shoot on sight" message over police radio. The next cops will then not fall, and most probably the suspect will tell in main chat how abusve cops shot him without a chance, as the memory of an amoebe is usual.

  I am assuming that apart from shooting, cops cannot beat to death or spray to death a suspect who is cooperating and not showing weapons too.  For all the smartasses out there.
  And if they do not /gu, but some other RP way of surrender - that does not count as "not cooperating"!

[Gandalf]

  I am assuming that apart from shooting, cops cannot beat to death or spray to death a suspect who is cooperating and not showing weapons too.  For all the smartasses out there.
  And if they do not /gu, but some other RP way of surrender - that does not count as "not cooperating"!

Correct. However suspect who are standing still and refusing to move, or using verbal assault on cops to "play badass" should not be surprised if they get a spray or a hit with a stick...

As for those who insist on /gu, remember that not using /gu is a risk for both sides.
Not using /gu even opens up a possibility for RP escape, and if you meet cops like jcstodds they might allow it as long as it is not done by single-sided play

[[NP]Monte Montague]

you are allowed to send out a "shoot on sight" message over police radio.

Sir, I say that but no1 listen, please can I have chief rank. 


No1 responded to my last post.
If someone stops then starts arguing / debating there crime reason, although did not do /gu or /hail opr shout "I SURRENDER" can they then escape?.

[Jcstodds]

If someone stops then starts arguing / debating there crime reason, although did not do /gu or /hail opr shout "I SURRENDER" can they then escape?.

Criminals may not escape after surrender unless the arresting officers allow it for RP reasons. It is up to cop discretion. If criminal did some good RP I will give them a RP punishment like abandoning them in the desert. If they did something very entertaining and new, or if my life was in danger, would let them escape with no problems.

Wanna RP escape? Read on:

  If they want to do a RP escape, I look out for some entertaining or novel RP. E.g. an Advertisement "Whoever breaks me out of this jail will be rewarded $50k" would make for an interesting event and I would let them escape in order to save my own life. I am a cop who values my life!  (as should all)
  Another way would be to trick or bribe cops in a RP way - I do not mean trick them in a horrible way. I RP a dumb sheriff, you can probably convince me your innocence by making up a somewhat believable story about aliens. Try bribe city cops with donuts for instance. Say you know information leading to a donut treasure.
  Bribing with money might be possible with ARPD cops but it difficult for SAPD cops as it can get them fired. Bribe with some RP stuff and they might go along.

  Basically if criminals RP good and fair (no one god), cops will be more than happy to give RP punishments and maybe even let you escape. In fact I know DPD will soon be developing alternative RP punishments. Anyone who has seen Immigration Patrol will know what I am talking about. Like selling illegal immigrants (RP criminals) at slave auction.
 

  Some past methods I have used to try stop myself being punished for a crime that I most likely did commit:

- Asking for my one phonecall and contacting advertising agency, offering $100,000 for my escape.
- Calling like 10 random lawyers to come and annoy the cops until cops finally give up and let me go.
- Calling some highly armed lawyers to try break me out forcefully.
- When I was in ALS (Armed Limo Service) I would have called my workers to rescue me, saying to the cops to let me go or there will be trouble! (Note that cops always knew what I would be doing, as cops cannot see CB channel I would always hint so they knew my intentions. No cops would complain as they already knew in a RP way what was happening).
- Once managed to convince FBI (who were originally going to arrest me for illegal human experimentation) to transport some players to LS for hospital - who were actually going to be zombies when they awoke (everyone knew this) causing a server wide zombie outbreak. (Example of interesting RP to avoid jail/ death).
- Convinced cop to let me free and I will collect information on more criminals.
- Recorded voice of cop being a little corrupt, breaking my light or something, then managed to get him to take his clothes off or I threaten to take to court.

Of course come cops are money hungry or new and do not know about this. Some think it is the rules that criminals have to /gu and go to jail or die. This is not true, we have to show through example though.
 
  How not to try escape...(after RP cuff/ RP arrest)
- Turning round and shooting cop to death is not RP way to escape.
-  /me breaks free from cuffs with hulk strength and bunnyhopping into the distance is not RP way to escape.
-  Telling your friends to turn up and kill all your cop captives with cb, and no RP from your friends - have a guess, is not RP way to escape. Cops must be aware of your RP involvement with 'friends'. E.g. even /me mumbles into his collar  would suggest you are talking in a CB radio...
- After being RP cuffed you then proceed to do some crazy parkour before driving away...
- Going AFK
- Standing still moaning "abuse abuse unsu me"
- Doing any of the above whilst saying you were wrongfully suspected. ( if you think it is abuse, get investigated by SAPD cop).

  If you do any of the above Admins will then enforce the "no running after surrender" rule. Rules are meant to keep players having fun RPing. May seem like double standard but using foul tricks like above is not fun . 


  Maybe will write a guide during some mid exam procrastination.

 

[Mikro]

Jcstodds, I agree on almost all your points. They are extremely good!

However..

- Asking for my one phonecall and contacting advertising agency, offering $100,000 for my escape.

Will sadly mostly result in a DM fest. For example a thing that will probably happen: Groups of players armed with combat shotgun will storm into the police station, killing the one or two cops that are there and then free the suspect. Mostly just only killing without ANY rp.. I myself find this way not a very good RP way (an advertising agency would normally not do such advertisements.. and a group of civilians/criminals would not storm a police station).

- Calling some highly armed lawyers to try break me out forcefully.

Then the lawyer comes in, opens his suitcase and surprisinly blasts the cop with his combat shotgun before the cop could even suspect the guy? (In the example I gave, it is punishable if I am right..)

It ofcourse all depends on which people are comming, however, this is how most people will probably take these things..

[Jubin]

TIP: If you see a criminal who is standing still and not showing any kind of hostility toward you or others around try not to approach criminal while aiming a gun at his/her head.

I get a lot of cops coming toward me aiming a gun while I have no intention of shooting nobody, but as soon as I see somebody cop or not aiming at me I tend to take negative approach on him/her as well. That might lead to a shootout with the person.

Also interact with the criminal in a normal conversation way. I do not like when I get officer coming to me just saying: "/gu or die", "/gu now". I much more enjoy when the first interaction is "Hello citizen!" or "Greetings! I see you have been naughty. Could you please come with me." With that kind of approach there is a really good chance that you don't even have to /cuff me I will follow you willingly to the police station.

[Wash]

Wanna RP escape?

... E.g. an Advertisement "Whoever breaks me out of this jail will be rewarded $50k"

LOL

[Jcstodds]

  Mikro those who would turn up and shoot saying nothing would be punished for DM.

  If organised group came up and told cops to release criminal or they will use force, that would not be DM, as RP reason would be clear.

  If cops start /su and shoot any civilians on sight, that is DM.

  If "lawyers" turn up and shoot cops on sight, that is DM.

  If "lawyers" turn up as a group of 10 and get close to criminal, and tell the cops it would be a better idea if the cops just let them go, and a big shootout ensues - it would not be DM, and would usually be cops fault as they do not value life and majority never want criminal to "win".

  So if you wanna say what does and doesn't lead to DM Mikro, there is no one thing. Depends on organisation and willingness to RP by players involved. Not gonna list 1million different outcomes. Just all you need to do is lead by example. Sometimes shit happens, and when it does, admins are available to help clean up. 

  DM fest is when players gather for no reason other than to shoot each other. It is not a DM fest when a reasonable chunk of RP is involved beforehand and everyone has a RP reason to fight and everyone involved knows that reason.

  Good points Jubin. This is extremely truthful. All cops will get from trying to be forceful for no reason is disrespect. There are sometimes where it can be good, for example a man buys a Taco, then 10 cops swarm from different directions aiming with guns shouting "Immigration Patrol", but I like to think these "WTF moments" are usually enjoyed by the criminals too.
  If criminal sees a cop coming and thinks "Great I'm just gonna be either shot at, or treated like shit" they probably just gonna shoot or run. If you wanna be a badass cop, make sure you are fair and maybe even funny and you will get better response.
  Example: I was faced by 3 armed criminals alone with combat shotguns. I take out my sword, tapping it onto my fingers. Cue cool but completely empty threat "We dun wanna have no trouble round here do we fellas?"... criminals holster weapons and back off. Wonder how many cops would /su and try shoot it out!?

LOL

  If you are a known RPer and are trustworthy you can get cash from managers for such events. Or if you are just a really cool criminal.

[Fuzzy]

I'm always trying to RP the arrest, but usually if I do /hail agaisnt a wall, the cops are still just shouting /GU !!!! /GU !!!! OR WE KILL U!!!! instead of doing something like /me takes out cuffs and attemps to cuff him, which is quite alarming. 

[Neave]

/gu is used for criminals sake to discourage cops from shooting.

Cops: Do not force criminals to /gu. Do not say "/gu or I kill you". That might be considered cop abuse depending on the situation.

/gu exist to give a way for cops to have some what of a physical control over a suspect.

since its not real life, people cannot use any physical force to bring a suspect down.
and because of that, saying "/gu or I kill you" isnt abuse at all.

in real life, a cop will attack a suspect, sometimes even shoot, if they dont give up. and are standing feet from them. its the same thing as "get down on the ground or ill have to tazer you!" in real life.
a cop is unsure what the suspect will do next and should make themselves ready to kill if the suspect doesnt surrender.

TIP: If you see a criminal who is standing still and not showing any kind of hostility toward you or others around try not to approach criminal while aiming a gun at his/her head.

I get a lot of cops coming toward me aiming a gun while I have no intention of shooting nobody, but as soon as I see somebody cop or not aiming at me I tend to take negative approach on him/her as well. That might lead to a shootout with the person.

Also interact with the criminal in a normal conversation way. I do not like when I get officer coming to me just saying: "/gu or die", "/gu now". I much more enjoy when the first interaction is "Hello citizen!" or "Greetings! I see you have been naughty. Could you please come with me." With that kind of approach there is a really good chance that you don't even have to /cuff me I will follow you willingly to the police station.

a suspect in the game is the same as any felon in real life. and so police have every right to aim a gun at them. even if they arent doing anything threatening at the time. nobody knows whats in anybodys mind

and. "Hello citizen!" to a suspect? that has to be a joke.. lol.

when that cop is shot in the head just to say hello, there wont be anymore conversation.

  Good points Jubin. This is extremely truthful. All cops will get from trying to be forceful for no reason is disrespect.

A person evading the police in any way is reason enough to aim a gun, or be "forceful" on sight

TIP: If you see a criminal who is standing still and not showing any kind of hostility toward you or others around try not to approach criminal while aiming a gun at his/her head.

I get a lot of cops coming toward me aiming a gun while I have no intention of shooting nobody, but as soon as I see somebody cop or not aiming at me I tend to take negative approach on him/her as well. That might lead to a shootout with the person.

Police do not exist to make friends. a cop has no way of knowing whats going through your head. and again. evading police = reason to use force

Still some people escape the law WITH hands cuffed on their back In Real Life, but thats not the point.

I see this gets abused too much, some cops prefer to kill before you get the chanse to do anything. And some criminals prefer the "OK OK I SURRENDER PLZ DONT KEEL I HAF MANY WEPS" and as stupid as i am, i trust the criminal and gives him the RolePlay he says he want and in return, he kills me.. I mostly try to RP giving up to cops when i play criminal but i dont often get RP in return, what i get is a one way ticket to Jail/death.

I realy hope most people will start following this rule.

so many of you people speak about true RP. but a suspect running from police in real life would never start a conversation with an officer. or ask for time to surrender. because that time could end up getting the officer killed.
when a cop locates a person running from them, they call for backup, they take out their gun, and yell at you to get on the ground. theres no room for being polite, and having conversation.