The Collin Family - The Legend of 2011

[TheLegitHabibi]

I do not want to get the leadership removed at all.
I just want to bring light towards the fact that we need another more experienced member in the leadership.

Btw, whats "GnB"?

[=AV=Craft]

I do not want to get the leadership removed at all.
I just want to bring light towards the fact that we need another more experienced member in the leadership.

Btw, whats "GnB"?

Guns and blues.

[Gnb_22]

James, Gnb,


Any complaints regarding the Collin leadership should be sent directly to the Leadership or Founder, depending who you are reporting.
Please do so and remove your posts here after doing so.


Sincerely,

Caltson

First things first, if you carefully read what I posted you would see that it isn't a complaint or a report it simply deals with issues that affect the family and family issues should be addressed within the family in the family topic where all can discuss and voice their opinions. I posted what i felt needed to be heard by family so did James. Running here to moderate everything Watson reports would not deter others from voicing their opinions. Ryan you know better, don't allow yourself to be used and manipulated in to thinking that we are attacking the "new leadership". We all have rights to post our thoughts and opinions as long as we don't insult, harm and provoke others in anyway and in those last post I see no attempt at provocation. I am assuming that Watson's guilty conscience is allowing himself to see provocation in every post and thus he reports. However if that isn't the case I really need to get a dictionary to learn what provocation really means.

[=AV=Craft]

I am assuming that Watson's guilty conscience is allowing himself to see provocation in every post and thus he reports.

Agreed

[Mashgash]

If you are unable to handle critism you are not the right person for a leadership position.
With a bigger rank does bigger responsibilites comes.
With bigger responsibilites does bigger expectations from lower ranks comes.
With bigger expectations does bigger trust comes.

If you are unable to discuss and convince others you are worth your current position how do you expect your members to trust you?
How do you expect your members to follow your lead if you are unable to motivate way they should?
A leadership position is not just a position, it's a duty that requires self-confident, matureness and aswell the will to execute things.
It's quite obvious the majority of the collin members are upset regarding the selection of the new leadership, but why are you not doing anything about it, Watson and Edison? Why are you not proving them the opposite? Why are you not taking the discussion and showing them you are the type of guys who are able to lead collin into a new era? You have protestors and complainers, instead of deal with them and prove them the opposite are you running to moderator team like they are your parents in the kindergarten.
Prove them the opposite goddamnit, you was given the position since Roman thought you was suited for it. Do you think he will pleasured to see his leadership members unable to deal with family issues by them selves? Time to take the step into reality and realise what you can do to improve, not what you and moderation team can do to cover up the damage.
How you want to deal with things might not be how your members want to deal with things.

Sometimes, doing the right thing isn't doing the right thing.  

[Gnb_22]

+1 Mash

What is Good is not always right but what is right is always good.

[Doctor]

If you are unable to handle critism you are not the right person for a leadership position.
With a bigger rank does bigger responsibilites comes.
With bigger responsibilites does bigger expectations from lower ranks comes.
With bigger expectations does bigger trust comes.

If you are unable to discuss and convince others you are worth your current position how do you expect your members to trust you?
How do you expect your members to follow your lead if you are unable to motivate way they should?
A leadership position is not just a position, it's a duty that requires self-confident, matureness and aswell the will to execute things.
It's quite obvious the majority of the collin members are upset regarding the selection of the new leadership, but why are you not doing anything about it, Watson and Edison? Why are you not proving them the opposite? Why are you not taking the discussion and showing them you are the type of guys who are able to lead collin into a new era? You have protestors and complainers, instead of deal with them and prove them the opposite are you running to moderator team like they are your parents in the kindergarten.
Prove them the opposite goddamnit, you was given the position since Roman thought you was suited for it. Do you think he will pleasured to see his leadership members unable to deal with family issues by them selves? Time to take the step into reality and realise what you can do to improve, not what you and moderation team can do to cover up the damage.
How you want to deal with things might not be how your members want to deal with things.

Sometimes, doing the right thing isn't doing the right thing.  

Hey Mash!

It's not the thing to discuss or handle. If I give them a answer, a fight will begin over here and why fight for promotions? It's called, moaning. But if you really want an answer from me then I'm going to give it.

Here!

You guys are lame for apologizing for standing up for a family you guys built and have others who loafed around did nothing and come and be rewarded for the things they didnt even do.
I mean I've been in the family and help made it what it is today together with other more experienced members. I'm just ashamed that the "new leadership" would actually sink so low and to disrespect the founding members and make them look as provokers wen in only truth and in fact they are just trying to point out your mistakes to ensure that the family doesn't look bad. I have since removed my collin tag since I have seen my name removed from their member list, Collin no longer holds the prestige it once did.


 :ps: Roman i still need to talk to ya.....

You want to be the leader? What are your benefits? You are in-active and you come online once a month. Is that good? No it isn't. If you really want to protest about someone, first look at yourself in the mirror then come over here and protest.

P.S, You've showed up yourself now, you removed the Collin tag and left The Collin Family when we needed you to be in it. It's Edison and I who were active for the Family and were there with Roman to support him.

I hereby protest against the new leadership.

Although Edison and Watson are my dear friends, they might not like what I write now.
I do not believe they are solely suitable for the required position. I am not saying that they should be removed, neither am I saying they should be kept. My proposal is to chose a more suitable person and make him an even higher rank than them. He should be active and respectable player. With that description put, I do not want myself for this position as some of you think that I am not a 'loyal, respectable or trustworthy player'.

The status of the Collin family was gone the moment I noticed how quickly the two new applicants were accepted.
I remember that when I applied, I was objected by a few members, and tested by a few members before getting accepted. I had to go through a good 1-2 weeks before getting accepted, and during this time I was tested so as to check whether or not I am suitable enough.

Accepting people quickly will not show the 'activity' of the family, as to what I think the leadership is in belief right now.
If you want to show that you are active, do something for the family instead of posting stuff on the topic.

Tevin, Mash, Jones, Teddy, Taylor, All of them have done much more than you could imagine.
Let me ask you; Have you ever organised a family meeting? Have you ever organised a family reunion, a party or even an event?

What difference has it made, from the time that you are in leadership, and the time when only Roman was leading?
As far as I see it, the reputation has a negative gradient. The only fact I see that is different is that you are now accepting people within hours of them posting the application. Lesser members does not show that a Family is inactive. I believe that you in doubt that more members will make us active. More members will cause problems to handle, more players would result in a possible repuation loss of the family. Collin never went for 'Quantity', we went for 'Quality'. Although apparently the position is quite contrary.

Roman chose you both for a reason that only he knows. He chose you to maintain that status of the Collin family and make it active. Active as in, reminding you again, having more family reunions, meetings and parties. Not the fact that we accept all the applications as soon as possible. Yes, I am well aware of the fact that you took interviews of the applicants, but what will just an interview tell us about the applicant? He will say whatever you want to hear. As far as the status is concerned, I believe everybody knows its current decline, and as to why it is.

Watson and Edison, you both are my friends and will be I hope that you will remain so. But lets not change the fact here that your reputation has been a little low due to certain acts of yours. I am not a corrupt member of the society, and will never do something unjust just for the sake of friends. I believe that both of you are just not ready for the leadership. You did get into the Collin family, and I believe that was a second chance to prove things different, but you have got a lot to prove before you are ready to be a part of the Collin Leadership.

As friends, I can say that you both are lucky to become a part of the leadership, but since I believe that you are not yet ready for it, I would like another person to supervise both of you as part of the leadership.

James, I know that you're a great person and I know why have you posted all this stuff and protest about our ranks. It's Roman's Family and it's his choice whoever he thinks will fit in this rank. Saying that we are not ready to handle this Family is actually provoking. The day when we became the leaders, you were happy and congratulating us. But when you had a fight with Edison on a silly reason, then this came up. I'm sorry to say that you're also not fit for this Family and as you've stated above that we are accepting people very fast. Look! [MA]Danny is a great, honest and a trustful player so he has all the rights to be accepted and has passed the interview.

When Tevin, Craft, Teddy and Mash had the chance to prove themself to be a great leader. Why did they remove the Family tag and left the family? This is totally disappointing that Roman trusted you and you left him behind and made a new Family? If you have an answer for this, then you may moan. You already had a chance to be a leader and now when we have the opportunity to prove that we are able to handle this Family like before. You started moaning about the ranks!

This ain't fair. If you don't have a answer for that question then please don't comment.

Let me repeat the question:
Why did you leave the Collin Family when Roman was in-active and needed you to handle it? Why?

@ James: Saying that you haven't got a chance to be the leader isn't correct. Cester and John were present in the meeting and Roman chose us to be the leaders (Edison, Watson). Why didn't you attend the meeting when you saw that Roman had connected IG? Why did you log out? It is me who is doing /ad that The Collin Family is recruiting and being active for the Collin Family. I never saw you do any ads for it or do any events for it. How will you help the Collin Family now? Enough of your moans.

The main question is:
Why did you leave the Collin Family when Roman need YOU!?

To moan more, you've to answer the question above.
OR
Don't comment and moan!

[Gnb_22]

You want to be the leader? What are your benefits? You are in-active and you come online once a month. Is that good? No it isn't. If you really want to protest about someone, first look at yourself in the mirror then come over here and protest.

P.S, You've showed up yourself now, you removed the Collin tag and left The Collin Family when we needed you to be in it. It's Edison and I who were active for the Family and were there with Roman to support him.

First things first you need a glasses and/or learn to read as at no point in time did I say I wanted to be leader. And you of all persons should not be even questioning the benefits I would bring and telling me to look at myself in the mirror when knowing that the mirror broke when it reflected your imperfections. Yes I was inactive but that has nothing to do with the facts that exist. Activity shows no reflection on ones ability to lead if so players who played 50+ hours a week would be Community leaders.
Who are you to sit back and say that I deserted the Collin family when in truth and in fact I make significant contributions which you in your entire time in the family haven't even contributed half. I can go on and on with this but as a the more mature individual I choose not to sink to your level. And if you have the ideology that I am moaning for rank you can go ahead and rethink that as I am not the type of person who moans and whines for rank. I was successful in Argonath before the Collin Family and I will continue to be successful after Collin.

Why did you leave the Collin Family when Roman was in-active and needed you to handle it? Why?

If I were you I wouldn't ask that question..... you were not in the group at that time most of that time you know what you were doing, I wouldn't say. And pretty soon you will realize there is only so much you can do with the resources available to you without the presence of Roman. Teddy, Taylor (Founding Members) would not have just left the family without a legit reason be smart and actually think. As for me I did not at anytime said that I left the family, I removed the _Collin which was not against family rules (see rules on first page) so get your facts straight before opening your mouth about me leaving.

[arifaiman]

I removed the _Collin which was not against family rules (see rules on first page) so get your facts straight before opening your mouth about me leaving.

The one that against the family rules is breaking Argonath RPG rules and you did it Watson.Shame on you

[Jellyfish]

Would you fellas like to purchase some fine japanese medicine, it soothes the nerves and makes you very happy.

Disclaimer - Side-effects may include vomiting, cholera and a mild case of herpes.

[Aca]

James Collin for the president!

[Mario_Rinna]

Collin no longer holds the prestige it once did.

What prestige?

[Mashgash]

When Tevin, Craft, Teddy and Mash had the chance to prove themself to be a great leader. Why did they remove the Family tag and left the family?

Alright... I read your whole post but after the quoted statement above I raged totally. Who the fuck do you think you are that comes here and throw false information around you? How do you know what we did when you was in the unban request section from january and forward? I got promoted in november, I organised appointments, events, I spoke to Teddy about business, I launched Collin Family Limousine Service (which went very well) and I showed San Andreas that the Collin Family is active and available for roleplay.
I left due to Roman's constant absense, got sick of it. Hence creatation of Rosso Family.

You speak about provocation, Watson. Let me quote your lines.

never saw you do any ads for it or do any events for it. How will you help the Collin Family now? Enough of your moans.

Quote his statements and provide me with an explaination where he moans, please. James's statements are provided with an explaination why he announce him self about your ranks. Is that moaning to you?

To moan more, you've to answer the question above.
OR
Don't comment and moan!

You are a LEADER. You are CHOOSEN to DEAL with THIS sort of THINGS. If you are unable are you not a good leader and you will lose members faster then you can say moaners.

Instead of run away from the issues, why are you not figuring out what the issue(s) might be? Why are you not gathering your family to an appointment there you can take up this sort of things in order to solve it? Trust me, Watson, if you continue with this will you lose your members.

[=AV=Craft]

Mash Teddy Taylor and even tevin Pretty much built Collin. You say they did nothing. They did a whole shit ton more then you did. Mash's leadership was greater then Watsons and Edisons. Please (Pardon my language) Get your fucking facts right. Now go cry to caltson about this post please.

[Caltson]

Mash Teddy Taylor and even tevin Pretty much built Collin. You say they did nothing. They did a whole shit ton more then you did. Mash's leadership was greater then Watsons and Edisons. Please (Pardon my language) Get your f**king facts right. Now go cry to caltson about this post please.

How can you expect me not to come by if you're breaking the rules? There are not so many rules, try to follow them.
Disrespecting other community members is strictly forbidden.

Discuss anything what you like, but in a proper and polite way, with RESPECT to the person you are discussing with.