define:'criminal'

[Charles_Carter]

A criminal is a person perpetually recognised by the society of able citizens as a loyal member of the state attorney council who has commited a fair or unjust crime and has been labeled by the law enforcement agency of my butt.

(I have no idea what i just said)

[9r2e5i3k]

So is a criminal:
a. someone who does not follow the laws, with a reason (eg. to earn money the less legal ways)
(primary target: break laws; might earn money while at it); or
b. someone who is set to earn money, even if it means not following the laws
(primary target: earn money; might break laws while at it)

??

[duffman]

So is a criminal:
a. someone who does not follow the laws, with a reason (eg. to earn money the less legal ways)
(primary target: break laws; might earn money while at it); or
b. someone who is set to earn money, even if it means not following the laws
(primary target: earn money; might break laws while at it)

??

You really don't know or are just making you a fool?

[Jcstodds]

You really don't know or are just making you a fool?

Do you really not realize his questions are just to provoke the thoughts of others for some meaningful discussion or are "just making you a fool?"

... :poke:

[Romeo]

There's a difference between organised crime and orangeman crime.
Criminals are those who break the law, but there are several different types of laws to be broken in argo.

There are only two or so groups that work on the basis of organised crime i.e crime for profit, the rest
just use it as an excuse to attack each other and have shootouts with various membergroups of our community.

Not many groups have grasped the concept of profiting from criminal activity which is why criminal organisations are
generally formed.

[Ben.]

You shouldn't make a topic like this without others. Anyway, being a criminal is just a label just like being a cop is a label(with scripted support). I feel criminals fall under the civilian genre. Just like police, businessmen and government officials do. The way i roleplay a criminal is by telling people i am a businessman. This is for roleplay purposes and helps keep the law off my back and keep the deathmatchers at bay.

As a police officer, you are not a civilian while you are on duty.

[Xander]

More questions:

What activities are "criminal" (that when committed, make you a "criminal")?

How does a "criminal" engage/react on police?

When we role-play kidnappings, robberies, contract killings (yes we actually rp it when if the other person doesn't rp and tries to just kill us), Money laundering, Drug deals, Extortion. The typical criminal stuff, it is all really fun to role-play. Although there are different levels, i mean as a Mobster you would do the above. As a gangsta' you would be more likely to Gangbang on the street, rug deal, do drive-by's on rivals, possibly kidnap a rival group member(we try to do this in kidnappings, as kidnapping police can be pointless...except) or we sometimes may try to catch a fed for information that only a fed knows..can create some spectacular role-play. The list goes on and on, it all depends on who you role-play with and if the idea manages to get in your head.

As far as reacting/engaging with police. I try to often, problem is im being dm'd by them..even if i am unarmed. So it gets extremely difficult to role-play with them. I even tell them via /pm that i am role-playing. They still shoot my car until its on fire then i have to get out and run then they just start shooting me with smg for the excuse of 'evade'..yea evading my death due to my car. So my alternative was to role-play with new cops who seemed t know or have potential at good role-playing. The rest i kill because if i don't they will just kill me. I don't HAVE to /gu to role-play. Until i reach the jail cell, hey this helps prevent other cops from stealing me from the cop trying to role-play with me. Although nowadays i plan on running fraps almost every time i interact with police so now if they try to DM me i will just upload the video and email it. So i plan on trying to role-play with police more often again. No this isn't a bashing, this is just based on my own experiences.

As a police officer, you are not a civilian while you are on duty.

Anyway, being a criminal is just a label just like being a cop is a label(with scripted support).

Read that again. Maybe you will understand that i am correct. You are always some sort of a civilian, just suspects are scripted to orange so they can be killed by cops and be picked out from the general population of white bips(civilians).
Sorry i typed it so bad, got up like 20 minutes ago and im going to school, lol.

[JDC]

I define "criminal" as a person who has committed a crime.

[Pandalink]

I define "criminal" as a person who has committed a crime.

This is the counter definition that a lot of the ones before you disagree with.
In my mind, what you just defined is a suspect, which is not the same as criminal.

Say Pancher went off duty and got wanted for something like speeding - he does not suddenly become a criminal.
A player cannot be both a cop player and a criminal player, for example even when off duty Pancher is still a cop player. The same goes for someone like Cofiliano, who is still a criminal even when not actually suspected.

[9r2e5i3k]

In my mind, what you just defined is a suspect, which is not the same as criminal.

I agree.

A player cannot be both a cop player and a criminal player

What if I develop both a cop role and a criminal role and play them both regularly (but non-simultaneously, ie. not a criminalcop)?
Of course it'd depend on what you define as 'criminal' again...

[Pandalink]

I've always had the belief that you cannot be both a criminal and a cop. Despite me being a Senior Officer in the ARPD, my leadership of Araatus made me a clear cut criminal.

If you're in a criminal group but play mostly as a cop, then you're just a pretty poor criminal who is on duty all the time.

If you're not in a criminal group and play regularly as cop then you are a cop, even if you get suspected a fair bit. As I've said before, to fit into my definition of "criminal" without being in a criminal group you have to be a rather astonishingly good one, and have connections to those criminal groups - essentially being a one man criminal group. Going on duty a lot makes this impossible.

[Ben.]

Read that again. Maybe you will understand that i am correct. You are always some sort of a civilian, just suspects are scripted to orange so they can be killed by cops and be picked out from the general population of white bips(civilians).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian
"A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia or militant organization. The term is also often used colloquially to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by law enforcement agencies, which often use rank structures similar to those of military units."
A civilian is not part of any law enforcement agency, and last time I check the ARPD was a law enforcement agency. While on duty, you are not a civilian.

[Xander]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian
"A civilian under international humanitarian law is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia or militant organization. The term is also often used colloquially to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by law enforcement agencies, which often use rank structures similar to those of military units."
A civilian is not part of any law enforcement agency, and last time I check the ARPD was a law enforcement agency. While on duty, you are not a civilian.

My man you seem to not read previous posts either. This is all going off of obvious postulations(what we think) . So i recommend you not look sht up on wikipedia because 1) We aren't defining Criminal, Cop or Civilian and 2) Wikipedia is a sht source and if you are college bound you should know this. Civilian is not a cop but a cop is classified under a civilian. You keep mixing it up man. Re-read my previous post...thanks.

[Jamal]

Any one man who commits a crime with intent or assumed intent(suspected.. not /su suspect, but suspected.) Until proven innocent.

[Jamal]

2) Wikipedia is a sht source and if you are college bound you should know this. Civilian is not a cop but a cop is classified under a civilian. You keep mixing it up man. Re-read my previous post...thanks.

Its best not to trust a site for doing some sort of project, but usually it is a good source. I usually use wikipedia for the theory, then research it more to find if the information stated on the wiki is true or not.