Is the RP really dead?: The answer

[JDC]

For those who think I am generalizing the entire Idlewood Gangs faction on the actions of one balla... yeah, tell me every time I saw rulebreaking and the wait-until-a-suspect-hides-in-our-middle-so-we-can-kill-any-cops-who-go-after-him in the area, that it all was from the exact same rowdy balla.
 
The reason why I see i9 members as having some of the blame is that because at times they are right at the middle of the events (both literally and figuratively), yet instead of restraining the other ballas from committing acts of DM, they are the ones intimidating the cops or displaying acts of aggression. They are leaders in the eyes of the common criminals in the area who flock to them, yet at times they are the ones leading the said acts, even if the cops who go after the GS are inexperienced ones.
 
Remember that when I watch over a situation as an admin, I am also watching over cops as much as I do over criminals. In fact, I was one of those who tended to use copban more often as a weapon of discipline, and would not hesitate to give One-Month-Copbans to regular officers who fuck around.

[Leroy]

For those who think I am generalizing the entire Idlewood Gangs faction on the actions of one balla... yeah, tell me every time I saw rulebreaking and the wait-until-a-suspect-hides-in-our-middle-so-we-can-kill-any-cops-who-go-after-him in the area, that it all was from the exact same rowdy balla.
 
The reason why I see i9 members as having some of the blame is that because at times they are right at the middle of the events (both literally and figuratively), yet instead of restraining the other ballas from committing acts of DM, they are the ones intimidating the cops or displaying acts of aggression. They are leaders in the eyes of the common criminals in the area who flock to them, yet at times they are the ones leading the said acts, even if the cops who go after the GS are inexperienced ones.
 
Remember that when I watch over a situation as an admin, I am also watching over cops as much as I do over criminals. In fact, I was one of those who tended to use copban more often as a weapon of discipline, and would not hesitate to give One-Month-Copbans to regular officers who f**k around.

Events which i9 Organize, haven't been 'Run around, shoot everything that moves', it has always been more organized, if you see some random Ballas, doesn't mean they're even associated with i9, being that i9 is a group to offer a role-play example, most new players would try to display themselves as Ballas, but that doesn't mean Inferno 9 control their actions. I haven't questioned your observations over both criminal and opposing sides, however I have disagreement of blaming i9 for such activity, which singular players commit on their own behalf.

[JDC]

Yet, some of the gang wars I have seen were led by or partaken in by i9 members. In such cases, they should be able to restrain the ballas around them from DM instead of remaining silent about / condoning it, and seek admin assistance if they cannot do it on their own. The administration would be more than happy to prevent the mass outbreak of such DM events.

[9r2e5i3k]

Events which i9 Organize, haven't been 'Run around, shoot everything that moves'[...]

It was more like 'get 50 random people, get all of them wanted, camp and kill cops'...

[Hyuga.]

The problem is that the more our community progresses, the more people care only about money and the more they care about money the less RP is possible.

My thought is that it's not RP who is dieing. It's the community.

[Murt]

This topic is almost a big discussion/argument about the Inferno 9 now, and moan towards the group.
It's going way out of hand.

Either keep on topic or take the off topic to forum PM/msn/cb ingame whatever.

[Jubin]

It was more like 'get 50 random people, get all of them wanted, camp and kill cops'...

Not really. If you would be in their channel at that time you would see that main cbalert would be /cbalert Do not do anything to get wanted!
What happens is that you got some kilos of Uranium on one side and some kilos of uranium on other side. When one random guy, who have maybe just come to check out what's happening gets wanted it's as good as putting those two unstable uranium together...kaboom

[CaptainCrazy]

The reason why I see i9 members as having some of the blame is that because at times they are right at the middle of the events (both literally and figuratively), yet instead of restraining the other ballas from committing acts of DM, they are the ones intimidating the cops or displaying acts of aggression. They are leaders in the eyes of the common criminals in the area who flock to them, yet at times they are the ones leading the said acts, even if the cops who go after the GS are inexperienced ones.
 

When I see things like this I get pissed off, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Firstly, you've been gone for a good ~ 5-9 months, at the times this group has been as most active. I'am not saying that 'ballas' are completely innocent and right in every action they do, but what people trend to do these days is giving Inferno 9 the blame for things 'ballas' do. If a balla does something, it's i9's fault and now that's wrong isn't it?

It's easier to spectate an event, rather than being part of it and be the one having to make orders.

As for the thing "9r2e5i3k" here said about "being 50 'random' people, get wanted and kill cops". We're not trying to gather up a large amount of people and get it at the cops, it's really not the actual truth. People find it interesting to be part of our roleplays for some reason, maybe cause we make it in a way they find enjoyable? What do I know.

So what I'd like to ask you is to step in our shoes for a little, try to look at everything from our view before you stab the wrong people, rather than being the one blowing everyone up with a Hydra.

[Frank_Hawk]

INFERNO 9 is and has always been a dedicated new player welcoming group. We actively pursue new players in a bid to offer them an alternative to joining the SAPD for which they would otherwise lean towards. We offer new players a systematic program in which we supplement their development over a period of time through moderately challenging scenarios and missions. The purpose of this is to brace them for the good and bad in our community but also to prepare them to move onto new groups including the SAPD equipped with principles to succeed.  Our vision is based on creativity, brotherhood and dependence on one another - any player found to be exploiting this will be promptly removed in line with internal control procedures.

Our infrastructure is time tested and is demonstrated through our prudent record in the community. Since opening in 09, we've not had any member in INFERNO 9 banned with the exception of Kevin McCollins who committed the offense prior to being invited. Our relations with community leaders, managers, admins, moderators and high ranking SAPD members are positive, consistent and aligned to meet common goals in meeting the Argonath vision.  On par with this, our activity showcases our goodwill for this community in which we aim to positively contribute. It's unwise to blindly point fingers judging from experience and activity. Looking at facts and figures it's clear that their observations are based on limited experience and exposure to modern times in Argonath:

-        [RPIT]JDC_Kolta         158 hours, 35 minutes
-        =AV=9r2e5i3k            226 hours, 11 minutes
-        Cofiliano_Gvardia        534 hours, 04 minutes
-        Leroy_Hudson            894 hours, 35 minutes
-        [i9]Chaska_Aregas     1241 hours, 54 minutes
-        [i9]Frank_Hawk          1167 hours, 02 minutes

Idlewood is without a shadow of a doubt - a fragile town where the relationship between the SAPD and INFERNO 9 remains dysfunctional. This relationship is only remains for in-game scenarios for which the purpose of roleplay exists. This in-game relationship is overshadowed by our out-of-game relationship with the SAPD which remains ever-growingly positive and friendly. In stark contrast, the video brought to our attention by Chaska is a taster of what our new players face on a daily basis. Naturally, we do everything in our power to keep our players positive and in line with the rules - but as seen in the SAPD, a rouge element always remains and the need for pressing action remains.

In all, we remain compliant with Argonath rules. If you have any credible evidence that we are rulebreaking, you know the process.

[9r2e5i3k]

rather than being the one blowing everyone up with a Hydra.

I don't have any access to a Hydra.

@Frank
Those are only accumulated hours of being present on the server, not actual activity. And you're known for standing IDLE/AFK at Idlewood all day long.

[Murt]

I don't have any access to a Hydra.

@Frank
Those are only accumulated hours of being present on the server, not actual activity. And you're known for standing IDLE/AFK at Idlewood all day long.

I think the Hydra thing was for JDC, not you Grzesiek.

[Frank_Hawk]

Accumulated hours or not, the database started recording from 21/09/10 onwards - this is a accurate representation of overall activity in-game.

As for being known for being AFK all day, I'm also known for eating Big Mac's all day - I hope you don't believe this too 

[JDC]

The hydra was a drastic measure, after the criminal group repeatedly shut off LSPD and terrorized Idlewood with gang wars, effectively making the transition from hoodlums to terrorists.
 
Also, if I was indeed inactive, I would have been removed from the Admin Team. Instead, the opposite has happened.
I know what I have seen.
 
In stark contrast to many players who stand at GS9 and go AFK, I observe the events in server when I work as a cop or as an admin.
 Instead of confining myself to one place or role, I actually go around and see a lot of things.
 
Also, please note that the name [RPIT]JDC_Kolta is a new name, being only almost one month old, as I changed from a previous name. The other names included in the stats you mentioned have been around since, what, 2009?

[Lustigkurre]

One more time for the last time, everyone wants to believe. Rich cats are not responsable for RP being dead. It's the regular mainstream poor cats that have started this era. If we want to get on track again, we have do start from the scratch and ask ourselfs what is important and what's not. Money or mainstream-cats? From there we can start the rebuilding of what some people call "RP". Do not forget that starting up things can be a hard process. It has to be a 100 percent honest attempt.
Good and bad, i swear i've had them both, they're overrated, but is it fun when you get hold of one. Over and out.

[Malcolm]

Lustig once again sums it all up.