I wanna close my eyes in samp unban request section

[Mr.Joker]

Im not here to moan, Im not here to make problems to someone, I just wanna say something.

Why people get banned for simple reasons? Where a tempban would be more better (I do not want to give examples). Well, I was guessing that the  ban hammer is used on hacker, mass dmers, mass flammers, mass spammer, advertising a site or another serve, etc. but why to ban people for a bad joke, for a simple dm who crossed the limit?

Almost every time when Im looking at an unban request the admin says : "I warned you", so what, now you do an /warn and after a /ban, should people reamind to some admins that between those scripts are another two? like /kick and /tempban?

I understand that admins are there to punish the player for their bad actions, but not like that mate. Aragorn said something some time ago: "there is a /tempban script - do not use /ban at every fart" or something like that, i do not remember well.

As i said, im not here to start an argue, a moaning topic ( i never got banned). I just wanted to start a subject which, in my opinion, needs to be finished in a right way.

Please :
- I do not want replies from banned people like : "The admin .... banned me for this .... reason, ....flammin' " - those replies will get deleted, and a forum report will be on your head.

Some great people knows me, and they know that im not here to start an chaos of arguing, moaning. Almost for all of you I am a friendly guy and Im just looking for a better place for newbies and veterans. Argonath is a part of me since some time, Im just looking for better.

-Joker

[Karmps.]

I support this.

Great idea from the Joker D

[Mr.Joker]

I support this.

Great idea from the Joker D

Thanks, mate.

-Cheers,
Joker

[Gird3r]

I wanna close my eyes on all the lies and bullshit that most of the banned ones manages to cook up in order to get unbanned.

Quoting an owner to get favour is not really the way to go. It's just an lame attempt at bend the words in ones favour to get unbanned.

In the same sense people try to use the Moderators GUIDE in order to cause bullshit and piss on the moderators.

It's obivious this is relating to EvilMonkey's ban. So let me say it clear:

I have seen JDC work. and he does NOT ban instantly on every "fart".

Joker. I do understand fully you feel like that. But admins do not simply ban out of the blue instantly unless something repetive rulebreaking has been done in order to warrant an ban.

And if you feel there's something you can correct Joker. You can always take an try and apply for the team.

/kick has always been utilized alot. And to add something more to think about:

Where's the chatlogs?
There's absolutely nothing that says that he has not been rulebreaking alot before he recived his ban.

This has happened before: Admin is eviiiil.  :devroll:
Then chatlogs comes and reveals the trail of negativity and rulebreaks said banned one has left behind.
Then they stand there and is like: I iz ssorry. pls.  :conf:

So, since I took up his ban. I'd really want to see the chatlogs, The full ones indeed.

Come on.

"Where an tempban would be better".

Tempban happens when tempban is due. Ban happens, when the admins are tired of the constant trolls and bullshit who after repeated warnings, keeps breaking rules.

Someone robs my store. Ok he can have an chance. Oh wat he's at my store robbing it again.

/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
~-~
And so on.

If someone has been rulebreaking alot:

/warn 5 This is your last chance, follow the rules or be banned.

ID:5 has flamed an player.

/tempban 5 10 min hurr durr.

Consider that /tempban could have been used already before the actual ban.
 
The admin team is here to serve players. Not care and kiss shitty trolls with bad attidude on thier feet.. Exactly what JDC is doing and will continue to do. Serve and help players and banning shitty trolls with bad attidude.

If the shit EvilMonkey is saying is true. JDC would have banned 20 players in 1 minute for "silly reasons". And kicked half of the server.

Oh btw discrimination is an silly/simple reason no?
And if what you claim is true Joker, then I'd highly suggsest you let the upper people (Manager and above) take care of it.
Community mail for example. And word of advice for those who think it does not helps:

It does, you just don't see it. I have worked with such an mail myself back in 2008. And I doubt the SA:MP generation of Managers and leaders are ignoring the mail.

Joker, if you wish to continue this nonsense. Get some real experience and insight into the admin work for Argonath RPG.

This type of topic will cause an arguments such as mine. It's natural. You cannot say "You do not want".
If you do not want, then do not make the thread.

I already knew my topics would cause bitter/arguments. I cannot say "I do not want" just because I do not want to.
And this applies especially to topic who is as controversial as this one.

Also, you will not use an single drop of Forum Moderator power in this thread, you are not going to delete any reply (if you are able to). Not an tiny bit. If something happens like what you described in the red text, let another forum moderator deal with it. Simply because I want you to stay neutral and defend your own words. So you do not fiddle with any reply.

If JDC really did something wrong, He will be punished accordingly, so far he has done his admin work right.

[Mr.Joker]

Well, now Im going to school. When Im back i will answer with pleasure on your reply Girder.
As you see, im looking for those opinions. Respect, Joker.

[Que]

You cannot always blame the admins. If a player got an improper attitude towards admins and even other players on the server, he should face the consequences. Also, in some cases, I quite frankly want the /ban to be used more often. For example: The incorrect way of trolling.

Joker, if you wish to continue this nonsense.

This is not nonsense. He's very right that the /tempban-command is there for a reason; especially for some bans, which I have to agree with.

Joker, if you find yourself or anyone else wrongfully treated.. Then the email's there for a reason. 

[Garfield]

Joker you wrotte this because of my unban request right? Thank you very much for writting these so ADMINS CAN LEARN you are a great player and an awesome friend

[Norrage]

Someone robs my store. Ok he can have an chance. Oh wat he's at my store robbing it again.

/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
/warn 5 Do not kill that player
~-~
And so on.

If someone has been rulebreaking alot:

/warn 5 This is your last chance, follow the rules or be banned.

ID:5 has flamed an player.

/tempban 5 10 min hurr durr.

This doesnt make any sence. /tempban can be for 60 minutes, and even if they keep on going, you can still tempban them. Players like to take the admin to the limit..

Joker actually has a point here.

[Comrade]

This is a quote from Aragorn when somebody got banned for Deathmatching.

1. First of all it is not a permban issue...
2. Since when robbery = shooting?
3. Since when flame is a reason to start shooting?

You should be unbanned...

I've seen other ridiculous bans like when BlackEagle got banned for jokingly misspelling "Sandisk" as "Sandicks". (I'm not trying to shit on you, Grzesiek, I'm sure you had your reasons to ban him. I'm just speaking my mind.)

I mean, I don't request a ban on every person that calls me for "Cumrey" instead of "Comrey" now, do I?

I don't want to tell Administration how to do their work, because they really have a lot on their mind and they do sacrifice their own RP to help us; but if they started using /tempban 60 way more often and reserved /ban for really serious causes it would profit them in the long run (less work for Managers in the unban section.)

BUT
The reason (as far as I know) admins Perm-ban players for "every fart" is because the players HAVE been warned, and only a 60 minutes tempban is not enough.
Basically, the solution is simple;

Extend the tempban command to 48 hours max, that way there will be a lot less permbans, since the permbans for flaming and deathmatching can be replaced with a 48 hour ban.
(I don't like it when they call me Cumrey though so I usually tell them to stop it.)

[Gird3r]

I am looking forward to hearing an more detailed explanation of your issue Joker. Aswell as arguments.

There was, as far as I can see, not an consideration for what the player might have done before an ban is issued.
Bans are never supposed to be issued unless the player in question has been rulebreaking alot before. That is not an guideline. It's an frickin rule for admins and common sense.
Tempban might already have been used if you get what I mean. I would NEVER have argumented against him if he had fully told us why he feels that way. There's enough of the blackpainting and whispering behind backs about which admin is an jerk or not, hence why I came into the thread to argument.

That is why I called it nosense, Joker also said he will answer. So i'm awaiting his reply.

Regulars are Expected to know the rules inside and out. Hence why you will not see an regular get 10 warns both private and public before an more harsh punishment is needed. As far as I know, EvilMonkey is an regular.

Yes we all can fuck up sometimes. Even I can. That is why you have one chance to tell the truth. Likewise as EvilMonkey has one chance to tell the truth. So far, it looks to me it's only throwing dirty socks around and pulling out an quote from an owner in an an attempt to shit at admin.

Joker clearly stated himself he feels that bans comes to quick, I can assure you admins who really are breaking the admin-rules and server-rules are dealt with. If people cannot even trust the administration team, then how can they even play here? If you feel insecure with an group, leave the group.

How to restore that trust? Well it hell ain't letting the admin team go pussy mode and lick water from an cup in an corner in an trolls room. 

Let me clarify this short:

Admins who TRULY are abusing = gone. There's been an number of cases, and I ain't hell seeing them in the administrator list (the current one). Do you?
Tempban: Is used. Not every fart is banned. Stop trying to use an owners quote in order to justify bullshit.


Admin abusing? Community mail.

The thing with expecting regulars to know the rules has been around since the start of Argonath RPG.
It's been around since day 1. You know the rules. Yet you dare to break them?



I am not going to  defend EvilMonkey. But I am nethier going to judge his ban. It is up to managers to decide what happens.
What I am against tough, is using someones elses quote, in an lame attempt to defend yourself.

That would be like me saying: RON is my friend unban me.

Like fucking hell I would do that. If I was banned, I would stand on my own and defend what I belivied in. Not use an owners quote or anyones elses to bullshit around with.

Twenty.

/tempban 5 10 minutes Cool down.
Player calms down. Day after.
5: Fucking black
/banana 5 60
/warn 5 No racism.
Player calms down. Then is caught deathmatching.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.

Player calms down. All is fine and dandy. 1 month later he's become an regular.

Id 5 killed bla bla.

/report 5 Deathmatching
Investigated, found guilty.
/warn 5 No deathmatching.
Goes some time.
Same fucking player is caught deathmatching again.
Let us count his record:

He has been tempbanned once.
He has reciven bananas and warns.
He's played here for about 1 month.

Now he's caught again with deathmatching.

Id 5 caught provoking.

/tempban 6 60 Repeated rulebreaking. Read the rules carefully.

Do you still want to do another meaningless tempban of 60 minutes, or should we ban the player in order to make said player realise the seriousness of the situation?

There is an limit Twenty.
This has been proven so many times it's not funny.

Player get's banned.
Lies or seeks sympathy from anything.
Or he/she is innocent (rarely, an big majority of the bans was true ones).
Chatlogs comes up.

If innocent. everything is okay. Said admin usually apologizes for misunderstanding, and if needed, get's an form of punishment if said admin refuses to apologize for the faulty ban.
Or, player is found guilty. And suddenly changes his shitty lying face where the wind points. In order to "apologize".

As I said, I will await the reply from joker. If he can make an good argument and show me that he tought this thru properly, then I will apologize for having "invaded" the thread.

Btw I like comrades suggsestion, somewhat.

The issue is simply trust between admins and players.

We should not have to open up the admin forums to public just so they can show you exactly how shit is run.
That, is used for admins for work and solely work.

[duffman]

Well, the weed are doing you thinking exellent...  :conf:

[Daco]

I suggest extending tempbans to days, and even weeks.

[Hoffmann]

I suggest extending tempbans to days, and even weeks.

1+

And btw,

warn + adminjail
kick
tempban
ban

It think that's how the punishment process should be

[Ayden]

Look over the unban requests that has been made. No offence, but there are plenty of bans that could have been solved by a simple temporary ban in order to cool off. The option of giving a temporary ban already exists, but admins just doesn't use it as often as they should. Nonetheless, I also support the extension of the temporary period.

[Hoffmann]

Look over the unban requests that has been made. No offence, but there are plenty of bans that could have been solved by a simple temporary ban in order to cool off. The option of giving a temporary ban already exists, but admins just doesn't use it as often as they should. Nonetheless, I also support the extension of the temporary period.

= Powerhungry people