appeal to SRU/ARPD

[Marcell]

over past months ARPD was losing heavy to criminals - most of the golden members went inactive, rest only joined to ARPD either for money, trying to get in the special access (BWAT/VCID) so its easier, or just cause the applicant's mates were there.

So yeah, most of ARPD went inactive (oh please don't bring up the f**king excuses about inactivity here) and guess what - instead of some movement of ARPD to gain more members and encourage ppl to respect the law, you realise you can't do shit about what is happening already, so you make some overpowered shit called SRU. Everyone can join as long as their DM skills aren't bad, some of them don't even have to apply to ARPD if their DM skills are really good.
They can just take any weapon and shiz, making M60+re-enter pretty deadly. The only explanation to this from ARPD's side is 'THEY GONNA HAVE RULES YO, THEY CANT PATROL WITH M60!111' which got broken anyway - as I see main commander of BWAT being a next Pumba who just doesn't lag, and whenever I whine about it he gets so defensive and butt-hurt about it I just see the chat full of ppl defending him.

I know the 'criminals mostly don't RP when they wanted' part of ARPD arguments, so I'll comment this just from here. A cop car comes in your direction. You are wanted, you have a long-range rifle as well.
If you actually roleplay, and instead of shooting the cop you aim at him, get cover or something, this can happen:
A) cop shooting you no matter what
B) (the most often) cops pretending to roleplay by doing the same then asking to surrender, finally they open fire
C) cops pretending to surrender or something then shoot you in the back (never saw this one)
So can I ask what would be the f**king point of roleplaying in such situation? It will end as one side running or dying anyway - does few words and /me commands have such impact on this in such situation? I don't think so.

Overall SRU just proves how much ARPD can't handle criminals cause of they inactivity, it's overpowered unit made of legal DMers, money-munchers, in order to show ACTIVE ARPD recruits that they actually get something done sometimes.

Discuss, both criminals and cops. If this topic gets locked, I want a proper reason for it.

Is this how you handle your wars, ARPD? Instead of recruiting more ppl and encouraging them to do so, you make overpowered units which players didn't even agree on?
And don't tell me that 'it was ARPD's choice so we didn't had to post it in idea section' thing. If that is how we gonna roll, I want free guns for criminals cause it's 'our biz'

[Huntsman]

Totally agree with you , SRU is overpowered dmers.. Seriously, when we DM a bit, and in most cases it isnt even dm , we defend our selves from cops attacking for nothing (i'm speaking from TGC side) SRU comes booning us, and when they get pwned they moan us for dmers.. And at all ARPD became bunch of dmers and moaners, who cry everytime they get killed. I think you should remake  ARPD, cuz it seriously sucks ATM

And yes, there is no point rping with VCPD, because no matter what, you will end up under fire anyways

[Morphine]

SRU might be powerful but so are we. The police is *supposed* to keep the city clean as far as I know. Don't stereotype VC:PD into a bunch of dudezillas, Vice City still has officers who know their duty.
But one thing I dislike is the free giveaway of this opportunity. Only people designated for the job should be able to participate in SRU, not people randomly set to defend the city against bank-robbers.

[Marcell]

SRU might be powerful but so are we. The police is *supposed* to keep the city clean as far as I know. Don't stereotype VC:PD into a bunch of dudezillas, Vice City still has officers who know their duty.
But one thing I dislike is the free giveaway of this opportunity. Only people designated for the job should be able to participate in SRU, not people randomly set to defend the city against bank-robbers.

if you don't have money, you don't have guns - that's balanced
but getting any gun u want, joining with no skills aboard, and the chance to abuse your abilities of SRU when no one notices is too much

[Morphine]

The police officers don't pay the police department for their guns...

[Leonardo]

lol it's not even opened yet and there's already a anti-SRU team?

So yeah, most of ARPD went inactive (oh please don't bring up the f**king excuses about inactivity here) and guess what - instead of some movement of ARPD to gain more members and encourage ppl to respect the law, you realise you can't do shit about what is happening already, so you make some overpowered shit called SRU. Everyone can join as long as their DM skills aren't bad, some of them don't even have to apply to ARPD if their DM skills are really good.
They can just take any weapon and shiz, making M60+re-enter pretty deadly. The only explanation to this from ARPD's side is 'THEY GONNA HAVE RULES YO, THEY CANT PATROL WITH M60!111' which got broken anyway - as I see main commander of BWAT being a next Pumba who just doesn't lag, and whenever I whine about it he gets so defensive and butt-hurt about it I just see the chat full of ppl defending him.

I'm tired of listening we break rules and all the bullshit of always. If we REALLY break rules, PLEASE SEND ME AN SCREENSHOT OR CHATLOG PROOF. No, instead, you make an ''appeal topic''???????

Next time this happens instead of people actually SHOWING me PROOFS, i'll just ignore the topic..

Since when SRU is overpowered? We are going to use the same guns the criminals are using basically, except for the total insane shit (Rocket Launcher, M60). Criminals already have their Gang HQs filled with Stubby, so i can call criminals overpowered because i need to actually buy the Stubby if i need it? Boohoo..

The ones in charge of the recruitment are Daddy and Drix. You can always contact then if you dislike their way of recruiting people.

I dislike is the free giveaway of this opportunity. Only people designated for the job should be able to participate in SRU, not people randomly set to defend the city against bank-robbers.

Only designated people will have access to SRU equipment and duty.

Totally agree with you , SRU is overpowered dmers.. Seriously, when we DM a bit, and in most cases it isnt even dm , we defend our selves from cops attacking for nothing (i'm speaking from TGC side) SRU comes booning us, and when they get pwned they moan us for dmers.. And at all ARPD became bunch of dmers and moaners, who cry everytime they get killed. I think you should remake  ARPD, cuz it seriously sucks ATM

And yes, there is no point rping with VCPD, because no matter what, you will end up under fire anyways

Please elaborate? I couldn't get the point of your criticism there. If you have proof of all this stuff you say it's happening - PM me.

[Morphine]

Only designated people will have access to SRU equipment and duty.

I don't seem to see much of that. Yesterday when I was heisting a bank with Klaus I've seen the weirdest names in the SRU team. [MKt]Lazee, who barely even visits Argonath for a chat, [VU]Veteran, okay maybe he's worth it but he's not officially in it yet (since it's not even opened?) and what was most frightening.. a shaved llama chewing a wasp. Wasps quite the snack for censored these days.

[Marcell]

What I'm suspossed to do, record my gameplay 24/7 ? When I see someone abusing /c stealth, making a screen then explaining the topic isn't the smartest idea

And actually, I didn't saw SRU take guns like Stubby cause we use a Stubb - they take full equipment after failing once, meaning a laser, m60, spaz, mp5, grenades. So yes, they do use the 'total insane shit', quite often. And you can't call them overpowered bcz they do pay for their stubbies :>
I'll contact them just to get answer like 'YOU AIN'T THE CHIEF U CANT CRITICISE ME IDIOT!111'

this whole SRU thing started over-powered - mind explaining what's your plan of the last stable, final version of SRU script? (cause u said it ain't done yet before)
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[muzdaaz]

Hmm, just had a similar discussion on ARPD forums. Sometimes the problem is that things are going too fast for both sides to RP. And sometimes, when both sides are roleplaying a situation, a random freecop comes and kills the suspect with m4.
And for bank robs, there are almost always cops rushing into the bank to finish off criminals while some Officer is trying to negotiate. And in many cases there is a criminal who runs out of the bank blasting m4 on officer typing in order to negotiate (Happened to me quite many times).

Now SRU will contain the best shooters, chasers etc. I see nothing wrong about it exept if they dont RP (Shoot from distance w/o warning or nothing). I really hope that all SRU members take RP as their first priority. Ive played quite often with one of their members (Veteran) and I love that guy. He seems to follow all the rules while able to provide criminals some competition.

In conclusion, everything should be fine as long as an admin is online
We should just chill and see what comes out of it.

[Morphine]

In my opinion this topic was made out of anger of being killed by one of those, since I've noticed that Marcell opens up a complaint quite a lot when he gets killed by an acting member of the police.

[Marcell]

Hmm, just had a similar discussion on ARPD forums. Sometimes the problem is that things are going too fast for both sides to RP. And sometimes, when both sides are roleplaying a situation, a random freecop comes and kills the suspect with m4.
And for bank robs, there are almost always cops rushing into the bank to finish off criminals while some Officer is trying to negotiate. And in many cases there is a criminal who runs out of the bank blasting m4 on officer typing in order to negotiate (Happened to me quite many times).

Now SRU will contain the best shooters, chasers etc. I see nothing wrong about it exept if they dont RP (Shoot from distance w/o warning or nothing). I really hope that all SRU members take RP as their first priority. Ive played quite often with one of their members (Veteran) and I love that guy. He seems to follow all the rules while able to provide criminals some competition.

In conclusion, everything should be fine as long as an admin is online
We should just chill and see what comes out of it.

That's the problem. Some of SRU recruits don't seem to be recruited cause of their RP skills, but cause of their DM skills - they don't care if the person is just a money-muncher/legal DMer, they still recruit him if his DM skills are good 'nuff, it doesn't seem like they check their RP skills.
Also, what the fuck is wrong with giving half of freecops 'temp' SRU rights? I saw yazeen patrolling with M60 last time

^And no, it isn't about that, nigga

[Klaus]

Since when SRU is overpowered? i can call criminals overpowered because i need to actually buy the Stubby if i need it? Boohoo..

What are you on about? Criminals have to pay 'more' to store guns in their HQ than to buy weapons from ammunations. SRU are overpowered as they 'spawn' what you seem to call insane shit. Every time we kill a cop they drop every kind of booN wep ever created. Not even in detroit do patrol cops carry assault rifles and automatic 12gauge shotguns.

[Huntsman]

@Leonardo , you didnt got me right, i don't mean ALL of you but most of you. And i forgot to add that at most times ARPD is PROVOKINg deathmatching, and i know one person exactly from SRU who does, when he will do it again, i will be sure to send you a screenshot. Anyways, i think SRU has no point in VCMP

[Leonardo]

I don't seem to see much of that. Yesterday when I was heisting a bank with Klaus I've seen the weirdest names in the SRU team. [MKt]Lazee, who barely even visits Argonath for a chat, [VU]Veteran, okay maybe he's worth it but he's not officially in it yet (since it's not even opened?) and what was most frightening.. a shaved llama chewing a wasp. Wasps quite the snack for censored these days.

[VU]Veteran has been given permission by me for a period of tests. Now, i'll contact the other commanders to check why [MKt]Lazee had rights as i never saw that guy...

What I'm suspossed to do, record my gameplay 24/7 ? When I see someone abusing /c stealth, making a screen then explaining the topic isn't the smartest idea

And actually, I didn't saw SRU take guns like Stubby cause we use a Stubb - they take full equipment after failing once, meaning a laser, m60, spaz, mp5, grenades. So yes, they do use the 'total insane shit', quite often. And you can't call them overpowered bcz they do pay for their stubbies :>
I'll contact them just to get answer like 'YOU AIN'T THE CHIEF U CANT CRITICISE ME IDIOT!111'

this whole SRU thing started over-powered - mind explaining what's your plan of the last stable, final version of SRU script? (cause u said it ain't done yet before)
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You didn't get my point. You are not supposed to stay with fraps on all the time, but it's THAT HARD to press the Print Screen button or F8 when you see something is out of order or a ARPD is abusing his rights somehow? The answer is no. I won't take these topics anymore if they have no screenshoted or chatlogged proof of any abuse.


I'll investigate about SRU taking these equipment. Now, the plan about SRU, when it's stable, it's supposed to be something like that:

- Aid VCPD in heavy shootouts, code 30s and other situations that require trained personnel's assistance
- In the future it's high-likely we will also use (TS) TeamSpeak for better communication and fast response across the map
- After checking the map of Vice City and seeing it's actually small, the maximum response time that a SRU unit will answer to a backup call, if on TS and equipped, it's no more than 1 minute. IN ANY POINT of the map.
- Contain the major criminal activity that Vice City is currently facing (inb4 klaus quoting this with ''lol''). We deal directly with major cases and crimes, as a street fast response unit.
- It's not like ''lol give sru to this guy hes good''. SRU will go under trainings of different situations and skills most likely every week, making sure the units are ready to face ANYTHING coming their way.
- Roleplay skills is prority to any SRU member. We will always look foward on roleplaying, providing a good envinroment to the server.
- SRU members ARE supposed to follow VCPD regulations also.
- Only the best of the best get invited to this sub-division.

[Huntsman]

[VU]Veteran has been given permission by me for a period of tests. Now, i'll contact the other commanders to check why [MKt]Lazee had rights as i never saw that guy...

You didn't get my point. You are not supposed to stay with fraps on all the time, but it's THAT HARD to press the Print Screen button or F8 when you see something is out of order or a ARPD is abusing his rights somehow? The answer is no. I won't take these topics anymore if they have no screenshoted or chatlogged proof of any abuse.


I'll investigate about SRU taking these equipment. Now, the plan about SRU, when it's stable, it's supposed to be something like that:

- Aid VCPD in heavy shootouts, code 30s and other situations that require trained personnel's assistance
- In the future it's high-likely we will also use (TS) TeamSpeak for better communication and fast response across the map
- After checking the map of Vice City and seeing it's actually small, the maximum response time that a SRU unit will answer to a backup call, if on TS and equipped, it's no more than 1 minute. IN ANY POINT of the map.
- Contain the major criminal activity that Vice City is currently facing (inb4 klaus quoting this with ''lol''). We deal directly with major cases and crimes, as a street fast response unit.
- It's not like ''lol give sru to this guy hes good''. SRU will go under trainings of different situations and skills most likely every week, making sure the units are ready to face ANYTHING coming their way.
- Roleplay skills is prority to any SRU member. We will always look foward on roleplaying, providing a good envinroment to the server.
- SRU members ARE supposed to follow VCPD regulations also.
- Only the best of the best get invited to this sub-division.

Oh yeah? How comes i saw Veteran using his b00n on regular not dangerous at all criminal?