Grand Strategy/Paradox

[JayL]

Some more end game thoughts. Playing Ricky it seems Immigration is the way to go. Just too bad that it's hard to do in Victoria 2, due to capitalists being imbeciles in Victoria 2.

Victoria 2's emigration factors are not coded well. POPs are oriented to emigrate depending on life needs fulfillment, militancy, consciousness and moralism/residency if they do not belong to current state's religion/culture. Minor stuff like agreement with ruling party also counts, but the increasement that each factor gives to the emigration chance seems too small to provoke big emigration if a country is making its population upset and so on.

Yesterday I was playing around with a new emigration factor code. They should change and include factors such as money reserves and increase the factor contributions to general emigration chance.

[ElMartu]

Also Victoria gives a huge immigration bonuses to Democracies and nations in America. That, combined with some exclusive national decisions make the USA usually get the most immigrants in the entire game. And it makes sense, because c'mon... who wants to move to a frozen place like Finland?

Italy's about to unlock Armored vehicles very soon.

[Ness]

jubin 1v1 me

[Jubin]

Currently playing as Croatia and it all went well till I forgot about badboy score, accepted a lot of territories from Ottoman, got my badboy over 80 and then had to wage a continuation war against Austria, what I did win, but still not cool to have 80BB.

end of my Croatian game:

[ElMartu]

i still think it's ridiculous how easy it is to net immigrants in the first Victoria.

I'll eventually post pics of Jay and I's empires in an EU3 multiplayer session. We just beat the golden horde together

[Jubin]

i still think it's ridiculous how easy it is to net immigrants in the first Victoria.

Also Victoria gives a huge immigration bonuses to Democracies and nations in America. That, combined with some exclusive national decisions make the USA usually get the most immigrants in the entire game. And it makes sense, because c'mon... who wants to move to a frozen place like Finland?

Well, my country also was a Democracy, which offered Good social reforms (maximum pensions, healthcare etc) beside the workhour and maximum political reforms (well actually I did have only the wealthiest could vote, not universal sufferage) and as well the country was high in plurality, so hold high the fact that it has so many nations in it as fell as full citizenship, so that when you immigrate into it, you can become a citizen.
Now tell me Martu, why wouldn't you want to move to a country like this?

 :ps: This is how Croatia looked like in the end.



EDIT: Now I also just checked USA in my Croatian game and well USA had turned into a Facist Presidental Dictatorship at some point of the game.

[ElMartu]

Now tell me Martu, why wouldn't you want to move to a country like this?

Because a hundred years wasn't enough for you to form Yugoslavia

[Jubin]

Because a hundred years wasn't enough for you to form Yugoslavia

Because in Ricky no such country exists/can't be formed. What do you want, me to create  a new country into the game just to prove it to you that I can get it in 100 years?

[ElMartu]

whatever

[Jubin]

Installed Victoria Improvement Project mod. Here's the end stats of my Sardinia-Piedmont/Italy game.

[JayL]

Ahaha, I love the way end game screens are formatted in Victoria.

[EenBeeFour]

I could never get the hang of games that used the game engine before Europa Universalis 3, it was too stuffy and more complex :L

[ElMartu]

They aren't more complex, the info isn't just as well layered as in the newer games

though Darkest Hour (mod of Hearts of Iron 2) is essentially the most complex war game ever.

Also, Jay, you complain about Victoria 2's immigration? Seems like an improvement over the first game, I mean, lol, 250 millon people in the thirties

[Jubin]

Also wanted to show this from my Italy game



All of the green area isn't just my allies territories, but my satellites. So here it how it went.
As the game begins France started to become friendlier with me and helped me to unify the Italy. The prestige boost I got from that although was so great that I became a greater power than France itself. Then Prussia and Austria had their little fight and north German Fed and South German formed. Now France had it's German unification war against Prussia and co and asked me to help him out. I knew France couldn't win it by itself so I went and helped him, but because I am greater power I talked for the whole alliance. First war just white peaced and gained some prestige. After 5 years Prussia and France was at it again and I had to intervene once again on the French side, this time I was much more prepared and the war wen't well. We crushed all that was on our path so both North German fed and Prussia were forced to become satellites, and because I was talking for the alliance, then they became my satellites.
As now I had Prussia as my ally I thought I'd try and get my Austrian land back, while the South German fed was on Austrians side. The war started at first all went well, but as I didn't have artillery with me and Prussia made a separate deal with the Prussians, givng Prussia all it's cores back, I had to back down as well and settled with only getting back Milano. Although that was also a separate deal and I was still fighting South German feds who I knew I could beat. So I went to conquer them to make them my satellite.
What I didn't know was that meantime 5 years had passed of the last French-Prussian war. This time although, I was not invited by the French. That was critical mistake as France couldn't Handle Prussia on it's own, losing the war and making the German unification start by Prussia. So the Germany unified under one banner simultaneously as I was conquering South German Fed. What then they told me was that: "Hey, Italy, dude we united Germany." while my troops were "Wait, what? I control these lands, and what happened to South German Fed?" "There are no South German fed, but you know, take the lands you control to yourself."

So, Germany formed, but as it was from Prussia, my satellite, it remained my satellite. I was now waiting for my peace with Austria to wear itself out, so that 2nd war of Austria-Italy could start, this time backed with Germany. This time it was also a successful one with me also making Austria my satellite and getting back all Italian land it had.
After the war Germany was still concentrating on getting his army as good as possible and I thought I should not let it go waste. So this is what happened:


Italy declaring war on Russia, never even with an intention of sending any troops there to fight. Against Russia this happened twice- First time I thought Germany should get what it deserved for fighting the war, so he got land out of it (I got the prestige). Second time it was to make Russia Italian satellite.
All this time France had been a great sport and been a true ally to Italy, but well I just couldn't let it be just an ally when I wanted it to be my subject. This meant war and as Germany on my side it was quite easy. France had to give Germany it's land back and become a satellite to Italy.
Same story happened to Ottoman, Spain, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Wallachia and Mexico

[ElMartu]

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