Cops Returning after death...

[Aragorn]

Cops fighting with criminals or deathmatch has became a huge part of Argonath. You can see it everywhere, always in the end of almost every scenario there's a shootout. These days people can't even tell the difference between DM and RP. Hurray for us! What's next?

The difference is simple... Deathmatcher does not accept to be killed, Roleplayer accepts and even allows to be killed...

If you are always pissed off when killed - you are the deathmatcher...

[Aragorn]

And that Oscar votes were always corrupted... 

Both together made the award of the most deathmatching group as the best roleplay group... 

[Jcstodds]

  Any criminal who is calling all the cops to report their own actions has no interest in escaping or actual criminal RP, and is just looking for team DM. 

  RP criminals, who will try very hard to escape cops and any punishment will find this difficult anyway, since vast majority of cops are taught that jail or killing any orange people is the only solution and are even more stubborn in RP than any other server faction.

  So unfortunately I see it everywhere - it is very easy to get cops to engage in a large shootout as cops "negotiations" are always completely biased (i.e. Give up or we come in and kill you is majority response for RP crimes) but it is very difficult for cops to actually go along with some criminal RP and allow criminals to "win".

  But really, I cannot blame cops for this if criminals "RP" consist of ALWAYS the same excuse to DM like the "robbery RP". 


 So back on topic a little here, if you don't want cops to return, perhaps you criminals should give some actual decent RP where cops will be satisfied enough not to want to return after death.

[Cutt3r]

Why don't you guys(robbers) head to the bank, roleplay with imaginary clerks, get them to the vault(in the process can announce a news item : Argonath Bank being robbed in LS, as understood the vault is almost opened!), get some imaginary cash and dash to your hideout? Then call some hookers, spend the loot while having a nice time in the bedroom  :cool:

Look, it is not necessary that there should be some exchange of fire between cops and robbers for a fun time. A roleplay scenario between members of your group/gang is hell of a lot of fun too.

Try to win with a great roleplay scenario instead of shooting a random cop in the ass.

What is important is your imagination, not how well you shoot or lag shoot or c-bug or whatever term you guys use...

[Que]

Look, it is not necessary that there should be some exchange of fire between cops and robbers for a fun time. A roleplay scenario between members of your group/gang is hell of a lot of fun too.

I have to agree.

[Aragorn]

Why do you think this bank robbery even was started? To have a reason to shoot...
there are NO ANY other reasons... So calling it as "Roleplay" either lie to others or a lie to yourselves...

[Cutt3r]

I do not know about this particular case RON, but I will always believe that bank robberies can be well roleplayed; cuz I have been involved in a few of them myself, although it was a couple of years ago.
It is dependant on the spirit of the persons concerned - some will make it a DM fest, few will make a real roleplay situation out of it.
Just because a cop has a gun in his hand, doesn't mean he is gonna shoot you. Same goes for the criminal too. Instead of taking a gun and aiming it at the criminal when the criminal has a gun in his hand, roleplay. Really, roleplay.
Say that he did shoot you. So what? Are you a fail dmer? Maybe. But is this a DM server? Nope. So who really failed? Think about it.
Don't go nuts everytime someone shoots you or gives you a hard time. Change your attitude and slowly but surely, the server will become a more relaxing place to be than it is now. It starts with you. Not the guys you are pointing fingers at.

[Gandalf]

There is too much emphasis on suspecting and "acting tough" at this time.
Cops will suspect players as that is the quickest way to obtain money for many who do not possess skills to find other ways. This has always been a part of RP as we know it. However they can not suspect without giving them a reason and that is where your own behaviour comes in.
If your actions whenever you meet a cop are based on attempting to disrespect them either because you are convinced of getting a bad experience anyway or because you think it fits your RP, what you will get is what you ask for.
By respecting other players and treating them open you will find a much better atmosphere for yourself and others.

[SugarD]

RP criminals, who will try very hard to escape cops and any punishment will find this difficult anyway, since vast majority of cops are taught that jail or killing any orange people is the only solution and are even more stubborn in RP than any other server faction.

Not trying to insult you when I say this, but that's wRONg.
If criminals are RP'ing correctly and trying to escape, whether cops are trying to kill them or not, they still have the same goal in mind, which is escaping. Opening fire should only be necessary if they need to in order to prevent themselves from being caught, such as if they are pinned down behind something during a shootout. Their whole point is to get away with the crime and escape, and if possible, do it without being suspected. Criminals shouldn't be trying to become suspects, they should be avoiding it and trying to get away. Unless you are specifically trying to recreate the famous Los Angeles Bank Robbery from the 90's, then I highly doubt there's any reason why suspects would just sit in the bank and shoot cops that run in, or go outside and purposely cause a conflict with their weapons. Please note that I'm not directing this post at you specifically, but at everyone who is arguing that it's the cops fault. As the saying goes, it takes two to tango, and obviously this is something both sides need to work on in order to resolve

[Ziad]

My Openion: Cops for returning after death is a BAD idea because:
1- Cops are acting like rambos they die then come back then die then comeback then die then comback with no logic which turning the event from a shooting fun into an  MASSIVE DM.
2- SWAT are abusing thier Vehicles and thier powers, they /resetspawn outside the building, they rage inside shoot shoot shoot and die and then they are outside they get armed and then rage back in and shoot shoot shoot which turning the event from fun to a massive DM, because they aren't wasting thier times thinking in a tactical way or trying to RP while going inthere

Solution: the officer who die can return to the assault the criminals again after 5 minutes which will give the criminals time to run away or try to prepare thier selfs for another attack, which will make the COP side work in tactic and think twice before just coming inside and shooting.

[SugarD]

My Openion: Cops for returning after death is a BAD idea because:
1- Cops are acting like rambos they die then come back then die then comeback then die then comback with no logic which turning the event from a shooting fun into an  MASSIVE DM.
2- SWAT are abusing thier Vehicles and thier powers, they /resetspawn outside the building, they rage inside shoot shoot shoot and die and then they are outside they get armed and then rage back in and shoot shoot shoot which turning the event from fun to a massive DM, because they aren't wasting thier times thinking in a tactical way or trying to RP while going inthere

Solution: the officer who die can return to the assault the criminals again after 5 minutes which will give the criminals time to run away or try to prepare thier selfs for another attack, which will make the COP side work in tactic and think twice before just coming inside and shooting.

If you see cops acting as rambo and just DM'ing everyone for no apparent reason, report them either to admins, or on ARPD forums, depending on what they do. As for SWAT abusing their stuff, that is definitely something worth reporting to admins as it is script abuse.

[Ziad]

If you see cops acting as rambo and just DM'ing everyone for no apparent reason, report them either to admins, or on ARPD forums, depending on what they do. As for SWAT abusing their stuff, that is definitely something worth reporting to admins as it is script abuse.

believe me none will act we tried this many times:)

[SugarD]

believe me none will act we tried this many times:)

Then keep your screenshots along with ones of the admins ignoring your reports and send them to the server email address.

[Ziad]

This just shows the lack amount of the Argonath roleplayers...

this is a golden sentence.

[Pandalink]

As I see nobody even remotely trying to use the escape timer I wonder what is different...

I always use the escape timer, in fact I rarely buy guns at all these days..