Clarification of the new advertisement rule.

[Comrade]

Okay, so I've been gone a week and I come back to a new rule.
One is now prohibited to advertise (both buying and selling) illegal goods like drugs, guns, illegal gambling, hitman, etc...

What I want clarified, is one allowed to cleverly avoid that rule?
Like "Buying Softgun Replicas of an MP5 Submachine Gun!"

It's obvious the individual is buying the SMG, but after all it is just an assumption and as far as I know administrators can not take action against that.
After all, the said individual might REALLY want to buy a Softgun for a specific RP and administrators can't punish them for that, right?

I've asked a couple of admins regarding this issue and I've yet to find someone who actually knows about it.
Would be nice if someone (preferably Aragorn, since as far as I know this rule was his idea) clarified this for me.

Small update.

I had a chat with Grzesiek, and he told me that this mainly varies from Admin to Admin. Some may warn, some may not.
And that one is allowed to give "hints" in the /ad's about what product one is buying, and then telling the potential costumer to phone them for more information regarding the "legal" goods.

[Nathan]

No. Attempt to mislead the administration with illegal ads (such as "Buying sugar" which in theory meaning heroin) will be punishable. Some people are wiseguys and think that they can get away with rulebreaking, that is NO longer the case.

[Comrade]

But Nathan my friend, Administration can not read minds.
It's obvious the buyer is buying Heroin, yes, but what proof do you have that he really IS buying Heroin and not actually roleplaying buying Sugar?
Maybe he's making the worlds biggest cake? Nobody knows but the buyer.

[Ben.]

This isn't a new rule...if I remember correctly back when I joined illegal advertisements were admin punishable. It was just forgotten.

[Violet]

I thought illegal advertisements were for the cops to deal with, not the administration.

[Julio.]

I agree with Violet, I also do not even see why the hell this idea was implemented

[Ted]

It is a player made rule...

Clarification can be found here. http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=72839.0

[Pandalink]

Yes, it is fine to do that.
Frankly I'm very surprised that illegal ads being allowed wasn't an official rule, given that it has been common knowledge on the server for months that it was no longer an admin matter.

However, like everything else, it varies between admin based on their personal interpretation of the rules.

[Comrade]

Aragorn mentioned that it is not written down due to "common sense", but as far as I know "there are no unwritten rules in Argonath".
I'm fine with /ad being restricted for legal items only.
What I do not like is players getting warned for "Illegal Ad" when they write "Buying grass" as if the Administrator can read minds and just assumes the advertiser means weed.

[Louis_Keyl]

But Nathan my friend, Administration can not read minds.
It's obvious the buyer is buying Heroin, yes, but what proof do you have that he really IS buying Heroin and not actually roleplaying buying Sugar?
Maybe he's making the worlds biggest cake? Nobody knows but the buyer.

This kind of bullshit is the same situation to those smartass players who are warned for "Turn your caps off lock" and answer with "LOLOLOLOL I WAS USING SHIFT LOLOLOL WRONG WARNING".


Aragorn said illegal ads are not allowed, then they are not, deal with it or leave if you don't like it. Now, if you wanna "RP IT" by doing /ad BUYING SUGAR then don't complain if the admins start spectating you and get banned if they find you were actually doing an illegal ad for being smartass enough to try to cheat on the admins.

Wanna sell drugs - check the streets... It is not in the rules as we were counting on players' logic to understand that selling drugs should be a hidden way not an advertisement through TV/Newspapers on all over the server...

Clear enough.

[Shockk]

By illegal do you mean a server rulebreak or a suspectable criminal offence?

[Comrade]

Server rulebreak, Shockk.

This kind of bullshit is the same situation to those smartass players who are warned for "Turn your caps off lock" and answer with "LOLOLOLOL I WAS USING SHIFT LOLOLOL WRONG WARNING".

No, it is not. In the scenario you provided, the player broke the no caps rule.
It does not matter if he used the caps lock button or the shift button, he still wrote in capital letters.

Buying "Sugar" or "Grass" however, is not illegal at all, and administrators that punish people for that are just assuming that the advertisers are buying heroin or weed. They do not know for certain and they never will (unless they watch the deal), considering the fact that they can't read minds.

So please, don't come here and call my post for bullshit.

And as for the quote by Aragorn - he says lots of things. First he says there are no unwritten rules in Argonath and then he says that it's not written due to "common sense". You've got to understand that when an owner is going against his own words there will be confusion and I just want this one clarified out.

[Murt]

I asked this on msn to Gandalf and his answer to me was that the /ad was frequently spammed with illegal advertisements. It got abused to much so they had to enforce the rule that no illegal ads will never
be there again. It was fine before, but due that people spammed it to much they got tired of it and enforced it.

I can't understand why people can't like do an /ad once every minute, or contact their family allies, or gang allies.

[EminemRulez]

/ad can be covered, enhancing the roleplay a lil' bit - as you would do IRL, try to cover the fact you're selling drugs
Would be pointless to remove it, /ad's getting abused everyday by shout-outs, events, countdowns.. why y'all mad about drugs?

[Louis_Keyl]

Buying "Sugar" or "Grass" however, is not illegal at all, and administrators that punish people for that are just assuming that the advertisers are buying heroin or weed. They do not know for certain and they never will (unless they watch the deal), considering the fact that they can't read minds.

Fine, advertise you want buy grass or sugar and i'll get a truck ready to sell you actual grass or sugar, you will have no objection to buy from me.