Clarification of the new advertisement rule.

[Comrade]

@Grze
I actually wanted to put up our whole conversation but I didn't take screens o' em until it was too late.
Still think I have the log though, so if you want I can put that up instead.


I still don't see the problem in "hiding" the real product by cleverly advertise for something legal instead. Theoretically the ad is legal and that's what owners wanted; only legal ads in /ad.

It's not the product being advertised that 'causes the spam, it's the fact that /ad does not have a timer like /taxi has.
You'know, "Give them a chance to read it..."

If you own the Ammunation and you plan on RP'ing the cashier as long as you don't scam people

You don't have to own and Ammunation to roleplay a Cashier.
Just as you don't have to own a Fast Food Store to go inside the blue shirt and roleplay a cashier there.

[KinkyDog561]

Such suggestions work if players have the common sense not to try advertise illegal things every minute.
In the current situation where players are only looking for the easy money other actions are needed.

So what is the situation if we try to solve this without admins ?
Problem: Players abusing ad for illegal things.
Answer : let the cops handle it by suspecting.
Problem : Players abuse ad to get suspected so they can have a shootout / mass advertise so cops can not keep up
Answer : Disallow illegal ads.
Problem : Players start advertising under different names
Answer : remove the ad feature as it will also reduce spam....
Problem : Players use public chat to advertise
Answer : Remove public chat
Problem : Players will use PM to advertise
Answer : Remove PM

Alternative:
Problem: Players abusing ad for illegal things.
Answer : Let admins warn them until they find ROLEPLAY ways to sell

Hm... Good point. Can't disagree.

[SugarD]

you don't have to.

To advertise it's weapons as being sold by you you do or it's illegal.

[9r2e5i3k]

To advertise it's weapons as being sold by you you do or it's illegal.

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Since MTA:VC you did not need to own a business to use it for own profit. I don't know where you got that from.

[Comrade]

To advertise it's weapons as being sold by you you do or it's illegal.

Oh, so that's why all fast food interiors have a blue skirt which you can enter to get a cashier skin of the said fast food store?
Most people doing that don't own it, are you claiming they are doing anything illegal?

[SugarD]

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Since MTA:VC you did not need to own a business to use it for own profit. I don't know where you got that from.

I'm only referring to SA:MP in this case given what server this discussion is on. Gandalf and Aragorn stated that illegal /ads are disallowed, and weapons dealing is illegal in Argo. The only legal way to obtain weapons outside of valid job dutying is from Ammunation, thus advertising selling your own weapons inside Ammunation would still be illegal. The only exception I can possibly think of is the one I mentioned to him which said that he was RP'ing being a cashier inside an Ammunation he owned, and even then he wouldn't be allowed to sell the weapons himself, just RP such and the scripts would handle the rest. Otherwise that's the same thing as walking into a gun shop and trying to sell a stolen gun to a gun shop customer. Odd, I know, but still illegal according to Argo. Since illegal /ads are disallowed, the example he used would be too. MTA:VC is a whole different story though. Advertisements there were added much later and being that things have to be RP'ed in a non-scripted way there, the rules regarding weapon dealing are a bit different for obvious reasons.

Oh, so that's why all fast food interiors have a blue skirt which you can enter to get a cashier skin of the said fast food store?
Most people doing that don't own it, are you claiming they are doing anything illegal?

I'm speaking of the weapons dealing itself, which is illegal outside of Ammunation and valid duty jobs. Since the statement the Server Owners said was that illegal ads aren't allowed, his example wouldn't be either. I just provided the RP'ed cashier thing as an example of how he could still use his ad without actually breaking the rules or dealing weapons, which would break the /ad's rules since it's illegal.

[9r2e5i3k]

You're complicating it yourself. If the deal was done in Ammunation, it's legal by law. That's it. I still do not know where did you get the "has to own ammunation" part.

[SugarD]

You're complicating it yourself. If the deal was done in Ammunation, it's legal by law. That's it. I still do not know where did you get the "has to own ammunation" part.

Being inside Ammunation doesn't make the weapon deal legal because Ammunation itself has to be the one selling the weapons, hence why it's still illegal and thus couldn't be used in /ad. I'm not here to argue details Grzes, I'm really not in the mood. I just posted an example to answer his question.

[BlackEagle]

So what is the situation if we try to solve this without admins ?

• Problem: Players abusing ad for illegal things.
• Answer : let the cops handle it by suspecting.
• Problem : Players abuse ad to get suspected so they can have a shootout / mass advertise so cops can not keep up
• Answer : Disallow illegal ads.
• Problem : Players start advertising under different names
• Answer : remove the ad feature as it will also reduce spam....
• Problem : Players use public chat to advertise
• Answer : Remove public chat
• Problem : Players will use PM to advertise
• Answer : Remove PM

Why you don't punish at 3, instead of 1? We have admins to deal with it step 3, but COPS for step 1. It is a very low possibility and a quite paranoid statement you gave there. I also can not god damn understand why you guys so afraid of shootouts, it is GTA after all, as you say. I thought they are fine as long as there is a reason. I hate shooting and such. Can't shoot anyway. Just saying.


Cucumber Inc. || Buying high quality Soil || Good prices, contact Yuri Gvardia
If I get admin punished for that, shall be the most retarded moment in my entire Argonath life. But arrested, it will be lovely. FBI searching my factory for some proofs, questioning around. Can't you see, this shit may create some kickass RP situations.

[Jcstodds]

But Nathan my friend, Administration can not read minds.
It's obvious the buyer is buying Heroin, yes, but what proof do you have that he really IS buying Heroin and not actually roleplaying buying Sugar?
Maybe he's making the worlds biggest cake? Nobody knows but the buyer.

  This is what a smart ass would tell me if he was trying to worm their way out of being punished for rulebreaking.

  Firstly, admins are not retarded, and secondly, we are not IRL lawyers, we do not need to associate the correct evidence, build up a case against rulebreakers nor do we even have to present the rulebreakers with evidence.
 
  On the basis of probability aka COMMON SENSE alone I would admin punish anyway and any smart ass moan that followed would be dealt with just as swiftly.

  Bottom line is - If you want to RP illegal sales - Using /ad is the most retarded, unimaginative, boring and disruptive way.

This rule does not need clarifying.
USE COMMON SENSE. 



My own method of illegal drug dealing would be to go around to the gangs and ask around, or SMS/ call gang members to ask around.

Cucumber Inc. || Buying high quality Soil || Good prices, contact Yuri Gvardia
If I get admin punished for that, shall be the most retarded moment in my entire Argonath life. But arrested, it will be lovely. FBI searching my factory for some proofs, questioning around. Can't you see, this shit may create some kickass RP situations.

Yeah if you actually made some effort to RP something imaginative and fun, then it is not a problem for admins - we do not punish RP. But for the seriously obvious ones, they are just annoying more than anything.

[9r2e5i3k]

Ammunation itself has to be the one selling the weapons

^{[citation needed]}

[Gandalf]

Why you don't punish at 3, instead of 1? We have admins to deal with it step 3, but COPS for step 1. It is a very low possibility and a quite paranoid statement you gave there. I also can not god damn understand why you guys so afraid of shootouts, it is GTA after all, as you say. I thought they are fine as long as there is a reason. I hate shooting and such. Can't shoot anyway. Just saying.


Cucumber Inc. || Buying high quality Soil || Good prices, contact Yuri Gvardia
If I get admin punished for that, shall be the most retarded moment in my entire Argonath life. But arrested, it will be lovely. FBI searching my factory for some proofs, questioning around. Can't you see, this shit may create some kickass RP situations.

Because due to the frequency of ads we notice that cops can not handle 1.
Also while there is nothing wrong with a shootout from time to time, there is a lot wrong with constantly trying to get in to a shootout. People who do that are just deathmatchers, and often the ones moaning about needing equalilty etc...

As for the ad... it depends on if you actually have a factury where you might grow cucumbers.

[Comrade]

As for the ad... it depends on if you actually have a factury where you might grow cucumbers.

Can't he roleplay growing them on a field?

[Reece]

Gandalf or Aragorn confirm this please, but:

Legal uses:

Business
Event's
Legal trades ie donuts etc

illegal uses:

Anything that goes against the law

Rule breaking adds:

Weapons
Drugs
Adds that directly imply selling drugs/weapons.

Add, change or complete any of you, that Is what I would say sounds about right.

[newguy]

In the end,everyone mashed the same thing into a potato,and make it look bad - Said the Narrator.


If you can put up some effort onto the /ad,there won't be problems with either admins and cops.