Situation In London

[Alsatian]

They couldn't even if they wanted to. Those poor officers have nothing to combat these teenagers. They aren't legally allowed to attack back, and to defend themselves, all they have is a very small circular shield and a nightstick that is smaller than my TV remote. The fact that the Prime Minister is JUST NOW authorizing Water Cannon use is absolutely ridiculous. It should've been authorized the moment the riots began, and if anything, mobilized as soon as a riot was even believed to be forming.

That's a pretty big TV remote you've got there.

But yeah, I too find it quite aggrivating that only now are the government doing anything. The police have been stretching their resources and power for the last week or so, and only now do the government decide to provide support as if they've been there the entire time.

One thing that I admire is that the people actually gathers and start their neighbourhood protection. Who will not protect their homes? I would, even if it means I would go over the law abit.

Me and my nearby community gathered and made plans to defend our town after reports that the riot could spread to us. Thankfully nothing major happened, and everything calmed down relatively quick.

[SugarD]

That's a pretty big TV remote you've got there.

I figured someone would make a joke hahaha...
Seriously though, those nightsticks they have are extremely small. Even a wireless microphone that you see used by most bands at concerts worldwide looks huge compared to those things, to give a general idea. Cops in the U.S. have extendable ones that fold up, and even they are bigger folded up than the ones the U.K. cops have. It's ridiculous...they don't have the correct tools to even protect themselves. It's no wonder so many officers have been injured so far.

[Pandalink]

The fact that the Prime Minister is JUST NOW authorizing Water Cannon use is absolutely ridiculous. It should've been authorized the moment the riots began, and if anything, mobilized as soon as a riot was even believed to be forming.

The police don't need any kind of political authorization to use rubber bullets, and I don't think they need it for the water cannon either. They were available options to the police force from the start and the decision to not use them was made by the police force.

Also, if they were to be that aggressive (these kind of measures are unheard of) that early on, then many police officers would probably lose their jobs over claims of police brutality.

[SugarD]

The police don't need any kind of political authorization to use rubber bullets, and I don't think they need it for the water cannon either. They were available options to the police force from the start and the decision to not use them was made by the police force.

Not true. The Prime Minister himself stated that in the beginning, it was not authorized because he thought it was excessive force and was unneeded, which in my opinion is ****ing ******ed given that it should've been the first thing they used after the body-barriers of cops couldn't push the rioters back.

[Pandalink]

The BBC has stated on multiple occasions that the police do not need authorization to equip themselves with rubber bullets, but I can't find any quality sources to prove it one way or another.

[SugarD]

The BBC has stated on multiple occasions that the police do not need authorization to equip themselves with rubber bullets, but I can't find any quality sources to prove it one way or another.

From what I'm hearing, they needed authorization to even access any basic riot gear aside from uniforms. It's no wonder they can't react. If we are getting conflicting information, imagine how confused they must be.

[Pandalink]

I dunno where they got it from then, if they needed authorization for that, since both the PM and the Mayor of London weren't even in the country for the first few days of rioting.

[newton_alex]

Calm down man. No human rights is a bit excessive.

He shouldn't really be calm... the countries been fucked over. It's not just about now - it's about the future - 2012 Olympics.


And No Human Rights is what is happening to those caught;


Yesterday I was talking to 5-6 Police Officers over the rioting they had been too and they all said that regardless of what age they are, the criminals are being kept in for longer than the time normally allowed and they are tracking people down via the social networks very quickly.

[Alsatian]

He shouldn't really be calm... the countries been f**ked over.

Precisely. If people want to act like complete and utter animals, then we shall comply and disregard their human rights. Seems completely fair to me.

[SugarD]

He shouldn't really be calm... the countries been f**ked over. It's not just about now - it's about the future - 2012 Olympics.


And No Human Rights is what is happening to those caught;


Yesterday I was talking to 5-6 Police Officers over the rioting they had been too and they all said that regardless of what age they are, the criminals are being kept in for longer than the time normally allowed and they are tracking people down via the social networks very quickly.

If it's happening or not, it still shouldn't happen to begin with. You are born with human rights that should never be taken away. No matter what your crime is, these still have to be followed and respected. If people don't, others around them won't either, and then we just have people mass-murdering each other.

Precisely. If people want to act like complete and utter animals, then we shall comply and disregard their human rights. Seems completely fair to me.

That's like saying if they jump off a bridge, it's only fair if you do it too. People make mistakes. It's what makes us human. The point of punishments is if we learn from the mistakes. If we just beat and torture each other for it, we learn nothing but hate towards those who punished us, thus making the bad cycle worse.

[Jubin]

That's like saying if they jump off a bridge, it's only fair if you do it too. People make mistakes. It's what makes us human. The point of punishments is if we learn from the mistakes. If we just beat and torture each other for it, we learn nothing but hate towards those who punished us, thus making the bad cycle worse.

People have also a lot of other qualities that makes them human and they should use. One for example is learning from observation. If you know that headshot kills a lot of people and you still think that you should test it on yourself, well good riddance.
If a person knows that looting,robbery, marauding and theft is punishable and he still does it - he should be in jail and taken away his human right of freedom.

[SugarD]

People have also a lot of other qualities that makes them human and they should use. One for example is learning from observation. If you know that headshot kills a lot of people and you still think that you should test it on yourself, well good riddance.
If a person knows that looting,robbery, marauding and theft is punishable and he still does it - he should be in jail and taken away his human right of freedom.

Well, knowing something is wrong, and learning from your mistakes by realizing it was wrong, can sometimes be two different things.

[Alsatian]

Well, knowing something is wrong, and learning from your mistakes by realizing it was wrong, can sometimes be two different things.

How can people not realise that looting and effectively destroying a city is wrong? They know exactly what they're doing and they know the consequences, yet the continue to do so. I stand by my earlier comment that, if caught, they should be dealt the full force of the law with their human rights being stripped - completely.

[SugarD]

How can people not realise that looting and effectively destroying a city is wrong? They know exactly what they're doing and they know the consequences, yet the continue to do so. I stand by my earlier comment that, if caught, they should be dealt the full force of the law with their human rights being stripped - completely.

Common sense isn't always common sense, so to speak. Some people are just right out dumb when it comes to things they should have common sense of.

[Alsatian]

Common sense isn't always common sense, so to speak. Some people are just right out dumb when it comes to things they should have common sense of.

Unless someone is LITERALLY mentally disabled, then they will be aware that such actions are wrong - unjustifiably wrong, for that matter.