DM the DMer even if Admin online?

[Teddy]

This is not a moan topic, just a logical question with support.

When faced with a deathmatcher, and an admin(s) or moderator etc. is present online, your choice is too /report ID deathmatching

However, my point is that 90% of deathmatchers use combat shotgun, and don't give much time for anything else, by the time an admin can read the /report your already dead and admins are "I can't do anything about it now", so in which case doesn't it make more sense, to first off save the  admin(s) time by dealing with reports that they can't do anything about in the first place, and just Deatchmatch the Deathmatcher back, however your faced with if others see you get reported for deathmatching and face admin punishment.

Any feedback or thoughts?

[boostboy]

We can see death logs, if you report the guy even after you get killed - we can still punish him.

If i ever cought you DM'ing someone becouse you got DM'd, i won't hesitate to punish you.

[Pandalink]

Admins generally say you should not fight back against DMers, but developers (well, Aragorn specifically) have said before that you should fight back against DMers, which is the view that I agree with. Don't expect a canselsuspect or anything, of course, but fighting back against DMers has always been advised.

As a matter of fact one time I got told by an admin that unless I fought back, the DMer would not get punished. Needless to say I instantly killed the guy and then he got punished, and everyone had a grand day.

[Teddy]

We can see death logs, if you report the guy even after you get killed - we can still punish him.

If i ever cought you DM'ing someone becouse you got DM'd, i won't hesitate to punish you.

I'm aware of this, but It why do I get a responce such as:

I can't do anything about it now"

Not mentioning any names, I was standing out side city-hall, Private messaging someone and I was killed by someone unknown, I message the only only moderator with not many people on, and told them who ever just killed me was DMing, that was there reply.

In another situation, I was at Las Ventruas  Country Club (Collin Family HQ) when I was attacked by a random newcomer, I saw there was a number of players online and few admins, so I take out a gun and starting opening a few warning shots if you will, the newcomer continues, so I begin to take lethal action against them, they run off about 30 seconds later I'm frozen by a moderator and warned about deathmatching.... as I was report by I assume a taxi driver that was driving by at the time.

[tsghmike]

I can understand if it is in self defense.

[Dan_The_Noob]

getting shot at by DMer?? 

3 options

1. fight back and kill their ass, only /report if they repeat it (though its hypocritical to report DM after killing a DMer)
2. run, hide and /report
3. run, /pm them to stop, or explain its not allowed.... if they continue... /report

[Cero]

If someone tries to kill me I kill them.

You don't get punished for defending yourself from a deathmatcher, carkiller, etc. Even Aragorn has said so.

[9r2e5i3k]

Self-defence is allowed. You can fight him back (but remember that killing is still a crime and you won't get unsuspected), or you can report to admins and run/hide.

If you both report and then start shooting at him, to admins you will look like a deathmatcher yourself. So either man up and try self defence, or report and wait for admins.

Admins generally say you should not fight back against DMers

At least not when you're reporting them for DM. If you want to use self-defence, keep admins out of it.

[Antonio.]

As a matter of fact one time I got told by an admin that unless I fought back, the DMer would not get punished. Needless to say I instantly killed the guy and then he got punished, and everyone had a grand day.

I don't see any logic in that.

[boostboy]

Perhaps i din't made my first post clear enought, technicly i ment, if you get DM'd you can shoot back, only dont wait for 5 minutes and shoot the guy who DM'd you.

[Antonio.]

If you are too vulnerable to be able to report, then yeah, you should shoot back if you mind dying.

[Mikal]

I know what you mean by this topic, a few months ago I had about 30hp at Verona Beach and two very active regulars who are in 2 of Argonaths most known clans/groups came and rammed and blew up my car inside pay'n'spray, I got out and ran in which they started shouting "Fucking moron" and started shooting/carkilling me and I wasnt able to report because I was too busy hoping away, I did have Desert Eagle on me but there was no chance of me turning round to aim because I wouldve been killed by the time I did, after I got killed I reported them and I was told that admin can't do anything because they didn't see it and I didn't have any screen shots because I was to busy running, back on-topic I think your best chance of beating the deathmatcher is not to deathmatch him/her but to take screen shots whilst your running away and post them to an admin later, by the way screenshots to cause you to lagg (like a 1 second escape abuse) which means using it would make it harder for them to kill you (I'm not suggesting you should abuse the screenshot button in order to live :razz:).

[TheRock]

If you wish to fight back do so, however do NOT report and fight back.

Sometimes people do report and fight back.. But this is wrong because it's false reporting, as if.. you are taking the case on your HANDS.. so I do ALWAYS punish if I see someone DMing back after having report'ed..

Either take it via roleplay way if you can get along with it, like roleplay, shot back or run / call cops.. OR do report to admins.. but NEVER do both.


@Mikal, whenever you are getting randomly DMed it'd be better to fraps it.. Because if you are running away / reporting it + WHILE taking evidence, it will be the same as ESQ Abuse, since your character is not loosing health when you are taking screenshots as it's like paused..

[miha1111]

Just /report

As far I know, Admins can see who killed who, which weapon was used, was person a cop and such.

[Teddy]

If you wish to fight back do so, however do NOT report and fight back.

Sometimes people do report and fight back.. But this is wrong because it's false reporting, as if.. you are taking the case on your HANDS.. so I do ALWAYS punish if I see someone DMing back after having report'ed..

Either take it via roleplay way if you can get along with it, like roleplay, shot back or run / call cops.. OR do report to admins.. but NEVER do both.

If I'm not the one who reported it, and just handling it myself that leaves me open for a report from another nearby player such as the LV Country Club incident I described before.

Just /report

As far I know, Admins can see who killed who, which weapon was used, was person a cop and such.

Yes, we're all aware Cop Killed Cop, Civil killed Civil, Etc. Etc..

Again... re-read the topic... Admins have stated they can't do anything, and in most reports I have done against deathmatchers who shortly after killed me, no action was taken.

Perhaps i din't made my first post clear enought, technicly i ment, if you get DM'd you can shoot back, only dont wait for 5 minutes and shoot the guy who DM'd you.

I understand that, at that point its more of a revenge kill.