DM the DMer even if Admin online?

[Ben.]

Make sure you have weapons on you...if someone tries to DM you, shoot them! You have a valid reason (as far as server rules are concerned) because you didn't randomly start shooting! I'm sure they wouldn't bother you again

[Frank_Hawk]

It's the survival of the fittest on the streets of Los Santos:

Mobb Deep - Survival of the Fittest

Kill or be killed.

[JayL]

Back in MTA:VC (yes another ''back in MTAVC'' stamement, but this one is just a mere illustration) the people would just kill any incoming DMer. [R*]ber would dispatch ARPD SWAT to defend the server case a group of DMers joined and harassed fellow mushrooms.

Speaking as an ex-admin I'm sure that you will be much more convenient to admins and community as a whole by defending yourself (after all this is a GTA game, okay?) instead of sending 500.000 reports about one guy who has absolutely no idea about how things work in the server and could be taught the tricks of the trade.

I have learnt this little rule not to mix The Sims with Grand Theft Auto the hard way. Trust me, you feel much better by relieving admins of 500 reports about one bullet coming across PC screen..

[Teddy]

I have learnt this little rule not to mix The Sims with Grand Theft Auto the hard way. Trust me, you feel much better by relieving admins of 500 reports about one bullet coming across PC screen..

I could not agree more, I figure its one less report they've gotta deal with.

Yet, going back its when you do perform this "self defense" action you are again possibly being held responsible for "DMing" and can face admin punishment, I don't wanna get kicked or banned for killing someone who came at me first, and I killed him if that makes sense and yes it has happened, and I see it happen quite a number of times. This is my only problem with the situation, I guess it goes back to the famous moan statement "admin jump to conclusions" which I personally have mixed feelings with, regardless the point is, as an admin picture this

John Doe reported Teddy Collin for Dming (or however it shows)
Civilian Teddy Collin Killed Civilian Johny Doe etc..

It appears at first that, I'm a douche and just killed Johny Doe, when in all meaningful sense, I was just defending myself against a new player who doesn't understand that this is a RP server(which really doesnt make sense to me considering....

HostName: Argonath RPG (( <----- HINT ITS AN RP SERVER)
Address:  178.63.52.144:7777
Players:  15 / 200
Ping:     120
Mode:     Rock Stars RPG 4.1
Map:      San Andreas

However, people sometimes are just plane ..... confusing for lack of better terms or statements.

I guess to make my point, my only concern is doing what admins are saying here and defending my self, and then being reported by another player and then receiving punishment.

It's the survival of the fittest on the streets of Los Santos:

Kill or be killed.

Ain't that the truth xD

[9r2e5i3k]

Not everyone by default knows what's RPG about.

Also, EITHER report to admins and wait for them to defend you from the deathmatcher, OR use self-defence and leave admins out of it.

[JayL]

*post*

It's unlikely that you will face admins unless the DMer tries to frame you by reporting to admins.

And then again, if you get punished you can kindly explain your situation to the admin. A bit of logic and politeness is far away from moaning about punishment. If it's an extreme case such as that you got banned you can explain it all in unban request, and if it was really an excess by said admin he will change his mind once his mistake is shown at your unban... Everyone makes mistakes you know...

[Murt]

I would say this, do not solve rulebreaking with rulebreaking, no logic in it. But you are allowed to defend yourself from deathmatchers.

[SugarD]

Self-defence is allowed. You can fight him back (but remember that killing is still a crime and you won't get unsuspected), or you can report to admins and run/hide.

Grzesiek said it well. Just remember that if you are going the self-defense route, you must follow the rules of self-defense or your crime is valid. The United States Of Argonath Constitution clearly outlines this for anyone confused about how this works.

[Malcolm]

Personally I see no problem in defending yourself and reporting afterwards. I'm simply interested in stopping the man from deathmatching again. If he is killed after deathmatching you it will only mean a lost battle to him and as if he had done nothing wrong. He'd just try again with another person untill he succeeds (or runs out of weapons ).

Surely such a report would be a little more tricky to handle seeing as you then have to find out who actually attacked first and what not. The thought of you saying "one less report for admins to handle" sounds nice, but isn't really what we're after.

However, my point is that 90% of deathmatchers use combat shotgun, and don't give much time for anything else, by the time an admin can read the /report your already dead and admins are "I can't do anything about it now"..

What? Almost all reports of deathmatching comes after the reporter has been killed so I don't  understand why an admin would say "I can't do anything about it now". There's a lot you can do.

[JayL]

do not solve rulebreaking with rulebreaking

Self defense is not rulebreaking if that's where you're coming from. And yes it is very logical. Ask yourself this: What game are you playing? a) The Sims b) GTA answer: b GTA is a game with a lot of violence, guns death gore etc etc. If you get attacked in a GTA game you defend yourself because that is how GTA is meant to be played. Yes we are in a RP server which isn't 100% exactly the same as the GTA concept but still it is not something completely different, otherwise we would be a The Sims RP server or something instead of GTA RP.

Oh yes and if you don't like the idea to see players defending themselves and instead sending a /report about every damn bullet that pops up in screen then I suppose you are able of answering all the server's reports and I assume you do not ''I can't answer all reports ffs!''.

[Mashgash]

Open fire at me and expect I will open fire back. I often doesn't care about deathmatchers but if admins are busy and don't have the time for my report, I take care of the deathmatcher by my own, in a legal way of course (/su [id shooting).