Hang on a Minute....

[Julio.]

Looking around the unban section, every so often I see someone that's been banned, and it's fairly easy to conclude that it was CLEO that hacked the weapons.

HOWEVER, what really gets me is how some Admins are acting righteous saying that we were told all along that CLEO is a risk, no, we weren't, and when we finally were told due to a couple of strange unban requests pointing the problem with CLEO out, the topic that was written may not have been seen by everyone, so you cannot expect everyone to have seen it.

So stop moaning about people using CLEO when they 'Know it hacks weapons' - Is a quote from one of the Admins, when no, they do not necessarily know.

Okay, rant over, discuss.

[Jubin]

Just because you dont know the rule doesn't mean you don't have to follow it.

[Mikal]

Cleo actually hacked weapons randomly for me about 2 months ago, I was eventualy unbanned after everyone insisted cleo can't randomly just give weapons until some other unban requests we shown with the same thing that I had...

However they say it's your own responsibility to have mods that can cause problems for you.
I no longer trust ELM or CLEO..

[Jcstodds]

Don't install mods and your ignorance wont get you banned.

[Ben.]

I'm sure theres a post saying for players to use modifications at their own risk...

[.Tony]

You can use CLEO mods on your OWN risk. And if your not aware of it's ''accidental'' actions, Don't install. Since you could see that in Mikal's and Raykaza's Unban requests. That's what ELM + CLEO can do together. (This happend to me once in another server) And.. I weren't aware of it. It got me banned and all.. So i deleted it all, And now i only have car mods, HUD mods etc.. Mods that do not harm anything.

[Sweeper]

I'm sure theres a post saying for players to use modifications at their own risk...

Show us.

[Patton]

Show us.

It is even on the same page of this same board:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=72814.0

Also this:
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Server_Warnings#Mod_Usage

[Murt]

It is even on the same page of this same board:
http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=72814.0

Also this:
http://wiki.argonathrpg.eu/index.php/SA-MP_Server_Warnings#Mod_Usage

There you all have the answers that has to be given.

[Julio.]

Most people do not go out of their way to Search 'Why shouldn't I use this mod'

[sarcasm]You know, isn't it pretty damn strange that people think CLEO is safe? Because, like we see every single person spawn rocket launchers everyday with it.[/sarcasm]

[Zaila]

it was CLEO that hacked the weapons.

Correct.

we were told all along that CLEO is a risk

Check the topic made my Murt, it's clearly explained there that Cleo lately has been spawning weapons and such.

you cannot expect everyone to have seen it.

You use mods on your risk. It has always been like that.

stop moaning about people using CLEO

We are not moaning, we are trying to point out the obvious fact that you shouldn't be using Cleo AT ALL since it's spawning weapons which is banned from the server. If you still are using it and starting to spawn minigun or other weapons, expect to be banned.

[Devin]

Check the topic made my Murt, it's clearly explained there that Cleo lately has been spawning weapons and such.

True a topic was made explaining it, but do you actually expect every single player to go through the entire forum to find 1 topic regarding a faulty/glitchy mod.

We are not moaning, we are trying to point out the obvious fact that you shouldn't be using Cleo AT ALL since it's spawning weapons which is banned from the server. If you still are using it and starting to spawn minigun or other weapons, expect to be banned.

The mod is known to have such bugs therefore administration are aware of it, so then they could inspect the reason for the hacked weapon alerts before banning a player straight up.
If there's further problems, then speak to Gandalf about disallowing the usage of EML on Argonath Servers.

[Raykaza]

None tell you to dont use hacks but you can hack at your own risk,whats the difference then ?just forbid any usage of it.

[Zaila]

just forbid any usage of it.

It is forbidden. If a player says he's hacking, he's getting banned or told to remove it right away or be banned. That's not the case with ELM. If we wee you using ELM, we do not tell you to remove it. You might be warned that it can cause problems, but you wont be forced to remove it. But, if it starts giving you weapon or anything, it will be treated as cheating and therefor, we are taking appropiate actions against it.

they could inspect the reason for the hacked weapon alerts before banning a player straight up.

Why should we start inspecting? If we get warnings about someone spawning minigun or anything else, we take it as weapon hacking and taking the appropiate actions for it. As said before, you are using mods at your own risk, we are not babysitters.

[Jingle]

don't use CLEO mods, problem solved