[Denied untill 25th October]Ban Reason of [SFC]Talya_taya

[Talya_taya]

Time: 30.9.2011
Banned by: Dellstorm
Reason: Unknown due to gamecrash

Can I learn why I am banned, after I got banned I crashed so I couldnt read it...

Can I learn the reason pls?

Regards,
Talya_taya

[Bilbo]

Abusing new players.

[Talya_taya]

Abusing new players? How do I abuse new players?

[Thomas 'Leroy' Crof]

Scamming, allowing other people to ban evade. (At least, what I've heard.)

[Talya_taya]

Ok I did not understand anything from this :S

Scamming: Idk the meaning.
Allowing other people to ban evade. > We passed this subject. And also when my friend entered to game I said him to go out and he asked me how to make an unban request and I took his MSN address and he left the game... After it > same scenario. We passed this subject. Its sth old.

[DellStorm]

No one can resist against a god... , you re the god that I mention in game, like IR , but every human , even the guilty ones can ask to god about his mistakes and forgive them.. I thought you accepted our apologizes, seems like I was wrong. But I didnt understand, why did u ban us 4 hours later of our chat? We did not even talk about drugs after our chat, the only thing we talked about the job that I already told u too.. After having a dinner, I open my game, enter to server and 5 mins later I got banned..

I dont get the reason, why 4 hours later? What happened, why happened?

Regards,
Talya_taya

Hi Talya,

A management decision was taken place by us to ban you, and Lichm for activities involved with new players. Its for this reason you have been banned, and since Lichm has ban evaded several times, including yourself. Please refrain from using my PM for questioning and instead wait the reply of [R*]IcyAero.

Regards, DellStorm

[Talya_taya]

For another unban request should I open a new topic or this one is ok?

[Bilbo]

No need for another unban request.

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[2011-09-28 19:25:49] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 hi
[2011-09-28 19:25:55] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Hello
[2011-09-28 19:26:04] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 need drugs?
[2011-09-28 19:26:19] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Im new to this server, so I dont really know how things work here
[2011-09-28 19:26:28] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Actually, its my first time on IV:MP
[2011-09-28 19:26:30] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 ok / welcome to server
[2011-09-28 19:26:35] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 heeh :D
[2011-09-28 19:26:40] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Thanks
[2011-09-28 19:26:49] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 drugs make ur hp 100
[2011-09-28 19:26:52] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 if u want
[2011-09-28 19:26:56] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 I can sell u
[2011-09-28 19:27:10] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 How do I make money to buy them?
[2011-09-28 19:27:25] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 you already have money for it
[2011-09-28 19:27:34] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Alright, what do I need to do?
[2011-09-28 19:27:45] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 you can go work also
[2011-09-28 19:27:50] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 How?
[2011-09-28 19:28:24] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Does teleporting work here?
[2011-09-28 19:28:27] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 no
[2011-09-28 19:28:29] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 I wanna get to you
[2011-09-28 19:28:50] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 I will play more often
[2011-09-28 19:28:58] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Turns out that someone I know plays here
[2011-09-28 19:29:03] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Which is ID 3
[2011-09-28 19:29:31] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 so u need drugs?
[2011-09-28 19:29:38] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Alright!
[2011-09-28 19:29:46] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 how much u want: 400g ?
[2011-09-28 19:29:49] [chat] Phoenix. says: how I get a license?
[2011-09-28 19:30:00] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 I have no idea regarding this, so you decide whats best
[2011-09-28 19:30:19] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 there are 2 types  weed heroin
[2011-09-28 19:30:32] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 I think its better u to buy weed
[2011-09-28 19:30:49] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Alright
[2011-09-28 19:30:55] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 How do I get my own car?
[2011-09-28 19:30:56] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 so u wanna 400g of weed?
[2011-09-28 19:31:02] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Alright
[2011-09-28 19:31:13] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 play 7 days here > take passport > take Driving License and buy it ;D
[2011-09-28 19:31:20] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 it costs 10k
[2011-09-28 19:31:30] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 /give 6 10000 if u accept
[2011-09-28 19:31:50] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 after 7 days u can enter to tests
[2011-09-28 19:31:55] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 count from this day
[2011-09-28 19:31:58] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 /whenmade 5
[2011-09-28 19:32:15] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 /give 6 10000 if u accept
2011-09-28 19:32:23] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /give 6 10000
[2011-09-28 19:32:33] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /givedrugs 5 weed 400
[2011-09-28 19:32:38] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 nice deal
[2011-09-28 19:32:40] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 to use it
[2011-09-28 19:32:40] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 What do I do with it now?

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[2011-09-30 12:29:27] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /admins
[2011-09-30 12:29:30] [cmd] -> Thejorens[13] used /admins
[2011-09-30 12:30:49] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l hi markes
[2011-09-30 12:30:57] [chat] Markes123[2] says: Hey
[2011-09-30 12:31:02] [chat] Markes123[2] says: how can i become police man?
[2011-09-30 12:31:05] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l local chat /l text
[2011-09-30 12:31:23] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l where are u from ?
[2011-09-30 12:31:49] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l markes
[2011-09-30 12:31:56] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give
[2011-09-30 12:32:05] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give 5 9000
[2011-09-30 12:32:07] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give 5 9000
[2011-09-30 12:32:11] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give 5 9000
[2011-09-30 12:32:23] [chat] Markes123[2] says: NTY (=no thank you)
[2011-09-30 12:32:31] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give 5 9000
[2011-09-30 12:32:33] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give 5 9000
[2011-09-30 12:32:33] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l /give 5 9000
[2011-09-30 12:32:46] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /pm 2 need drug ?
[2011-09-30 12:32:59] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l need drug markes ?
[2011-09-30 12:33:02] [chat] Markes123 says: i have question if i do /give 5 9000 its mean i give id 5 9000$ ?
[2011-09-30 12:33:05] [cmd] -> [SFC]Lichm[5] used /l need drug markes ?
[2011-09-30 12:33:09] [chat] Muca says: yes
[2011-09-30 12:33:17] [chat] Muca says: id 5 scamming?
[2011-09-30 12:33:22] [chat] Markes123 says: yes
[2011-09-30 12:33:28] [chat] Muca says: Markes
[2011-09-30 12:33:31] [chat] Muca says: tell me more please ^^
[2011-09-30 12:33:40] [chat] Markes123 says: he knew that im new and tryed to take all my money
[2011-09-30 12:33:46] [chat] Muca says: oh i see


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[2011-09-30 02:12:12] [chat] FDGod0204 says: how to own? (after a car race)
[2011-09-30 02:12:50] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l how much cash u got
[2011-09-30 02:13:00] [chat] FDGod0204 says: 9800
[2011-09-30 02:13:08] [chat] FDGod0204 says: i mean 8900
[2011-09-30 02:13:12] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l maybe u can buy this car
[2011-09-30 02:13:18] [chat] FDGod0204 says: how much?
[2011-09-30 02:13:23] [chat] FDGod0204 says: i want to own a car
[2011-09-30 02:13:28] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l well its normally 9000
[2011-09-30 02:13:40] [chat] FDGod0204 says: can some1 give me 100 =(
[2011-09-30 02:13:48] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l but 8900 is fine i think
[2011-09-30 02:13:52] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /carlock
[2011-09-30 02:13:55] [chat] FDGod0204 says: take me
[2011-09-30 02:14:15] [chat] FDGod0204 says: gogogo
[2011-09-30 02:14:16] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l okay we gotta do some things
[2011-09-30 02:14:32] [chat] FDGod0204 says: how to earn money?
[2011-09-30 02:14:54] [chat] FDGod0204 says: just take me there
[2011-09-30 02:15:08] [chat] FDGod0204 says: is this it?
[2011-09-30 02:15:09] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /me setted plates of this car to fdgod0204
[2011-09-30 02:15:26] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /me insurace setted to player id 2
[2011-09-30 02:15:32] [chat] FDGod0204 says: what?
[2011-09-30 02:15:40] [chat] FDGod0204 says: are you doing?
[2011-09-30 02:15:40] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l okay now its almost urs
[2011-09-30 02:15:52] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l 1 more thing
[2011-09-30 02:16:01] [chat] FDGod0204 says: are there any other cars that cheap?
[2011-09-30 02:16:07] [chat] FDGod0204 says: like this 1
[2011-09-30 02:16:09] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l nope
[2011-09-30 02:16:15] [chat] FDGod0204 says: oh
[2011-09-30 02:16:20] [chat] FDGod0204 says: now?
[2011-09-30 02:16:33] [chat] FDGod0204 says: ??
[2011-09-30 02:16:43] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /me puts license and registration in cop car
[2011-09-30 02:16:56] [chat] FDGod0204 says: now its done?
[2011-09-30 02:17:01] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l yes
[2011-09-30 02:17:04] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l but 8900
[2011-09-30 02:17:07] [chat] FDGod0204 says: what cars mine?
[2011-09-30 02:17:13] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l then this one is urs
[2011-09-30 02:17:17] [chat] FDGod0204 says: this 1
[2011-09-30 02:17:21] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l no
[2011-09-30 02:17:24] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l where i am in
[2011-09-30 02:17:28] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l this truck
[2011-09-30 02:17:31] [chat] FDGod0204 says: oh ok
[2011-09-30 02:17:37] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l but its not done yet
[2011-09-30 02:17:38] [chat] FDGod0204 says: how much?
[2011-09-30 02:17:39] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l i need 8900
[2011-09-30 02:17:43] [chat] FDGod0204 says: k
[2011-09-30 02:17:51] [chat] FDGod0204 says: are you 7?
[2011-09-30 02:17:54] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /l yes
[2011-09-30 02:17:57] [chat] FDGod0204 says: ok
[2011-09-30 02:18:04] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /carlock
[2011-09-30 02:18:06] [cmd] -> FDGod0204[2] used /give 8900
[2011-09-30 02:18:12] [cmd] -> FDGod0204[2] used /give 7 8900
[2011-09-30 02:18:21] [chat] FDGod0204 says: what?
[2011-09-30 02:18:31] [chat] FDGod0204 says: cyclone?
[2011-09-30 02:18:36] [chat] Cyclone says: hahahaha
[2011-09-30 02:18:49] [chat] FDGod0204 says: oh you (insert flame here)
[2011-09-30 02:18:50] [cmd] -> Cyclone[7] used /invent
[2011-09-30 02:18:52] [chat] FDGod0204 says: theirf
[2011-09-30 02:18:55] [chat] FDGod0204 says: thief
[2011-09-30 02:18:57] [Leave] Cyclone (7) 0 (/q)

At first I wrote whole two pages of text for this post, but for some reason I couldn't post it. Perhaps because I'm mad for you three...
Anyways, simply put; We do not need players who harm and ruin the time of others who are trying to have fun and experience the Argonath, all for their own benefit...

Goodbye.

[Talya_taya]

[2011-09-28 19:30:56] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 so u wanna 400g of weed?
[2011-09-28 19:31:02] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /pm 6 Alright
[2011-09-28 19:31:13] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 play 7 days here > take passport > take Driving License and buy it ;D
[2011-09-28 19:31:20] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 it costs 10k
[2011-09-28 19:31:30] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 /give 6 10000 if u accept
[2011-09-28 19:31:50] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 after 7 days u can enter to tests
[2011-09-28 19:31:55] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 count from this day
[2011-09-28 19:31:58] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 /whenmade 5
[2011-09-28 19:32:15] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /pm 5 /give 6 10000 if u accept
2011-09-28 19:32:23] [cmd] -> Phoenix.[5] used /give 6 10000
[2011-09-28 19:32:33] [cmd] -> [SFC]Talya_taya[6] used /givedrugs 5 weed 400

First of all, as you can see I told him that if he write that code he gonna give me 10k for 400g of weed.
And as I know normal price of 1g is 30$ , isnt it? 

Why did you post 2nd and 3 texts..?

And Also my ban reason is about aiding to my friend as being a translater? :/
My friend pm ed me and told that he understand nothing what dell says,
So I pm ed dell and said if he talks to me then I can show what Lichm did wrong..
Otherwise it seems like 2nd texts he didnt do sth right. I told him IG not to do it again but seems like another chance is not given to us... :/

[Bilbo]

As I stated above, your ban reason was abusing new players (and aiding your mates in it as well)

Those weren't even the worst scenarios, as you all have been doing it for ages... taking advantage of new players with at first acting kind and friendly, then spamming them with "NEED DRUGS?!", "DO /give [yourID] 100000" and so on... yes, even you. Most of the times (see txt #2) a new player does not know what he is doing. So in other words you are tricking a new player to do something which he does not know about - which again advantages you all... this is called abusing a new player and scamming and you all are perfectly clear about it and that it is against our rules. It should already be known by every person who goes or has went to school as they apply the same rules and regulations there too and they should also be known simply by your own common sense.

And as Dell pointed out, Lichm and yourself have already been ban evading so I see no reason why we should let such players back onto our servers who do nothing but harm to innocent people and players. And I will hold onto that decision of mine as long as the Argonath Vision remains the same...

#1.   Argonath was, is, and will always be a community that should be friendly to new people. We will continue to be  a breeding ground for new people to discover the fun of playing by imagination. This is what has brought us official status and creates a regular flow of new players in to our server, keeping the community alive and feeding it.

#9.   Argonath bases its community on respect and friendship between players of all nations.  This means that those who feel that they are allowed to disrespect others, consider others as inferior or treat them as such will be offered the choice to either change their views or leave the community. This includes any groups of players in game.

#10.   Argonath will remain as open, friendly and strong community for people worldwide who wish to enjoy playing a game based on imagination and creativity.

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=38482.0

[Talya_taya]

I pm to all if they need drugs or not, and also I dont force them to buy, I got rejected by a big percent of players ofc, but also selling drugs to old players is impossible too.. thanks to players that show NPC drugdealers location for money..

Whatever, nothing to do then..

Seems like there is no way to do a rp job

[Talya_taya]

Well, I didnt know that selling drugs to new people is disallowed, I dont find it wrong but it doesn t worth to lose a "life" for money on Argonath...
And also I wouldn t do that after my 1st ban cos I like this server and worth to spend my time with these people...
The reason that I don t think its rulebreak cos lots of new people are smart to not give money before they learn what are they buying, and I dont force them to buy I m just asking and that's it but fine I won't do that if I get a 3rd chance(I don t think that you guys gonna give me a "3rd Chance" < Np I just want u to understand the situation... After DellStorm talked to me I understood that it does count as a rulebreak and I said "ok we re sorry and we re not gonna do it again" before we were banned...

About aiding to my friend: I m also sorry about that but I just wanted to understand his mistake and understand if it does count as rulebreak or not, we re both sorry and pleasing an unban request.

Question: You mean aid ing by help my friend on selling or translating I didn t get it cos DellStorm said me to avoid this subject when I pm ed him to translate for him otherwise he probably gonna do it again and get banned :/ (At that Time I thought he was gonna warned by DellStorm)

If u mean aiding by selling drugs and showing 2nd text (about Lichm) I didn t know that he was trying to sell in this way. After Dell talked to him to not to scam > I understood it and after it I quickly asked how he was selling drugs and when I understood it I told him to not to do that and he told me that he was sorry and did it cos not good at english chatting. < Not a defending against u (don t get it like that pls) And he promised to not to do that again.. Sadly we didnt have the chance to prove it 

Well.. That s all, hope to see u in-game. Thanks for reading and spending your time 

Regards,
Talya_taya

[Bilbo]

You should understand that most new players are not native English-speakers. So yes, players can be smart but new players are not aware of the commands of our servers, our rules nor what they should be expecting from our players. So turning up at bunch of new players and spamming /give 5 10000!!! is the easiest way to fool, betray and let them down on their experience on Argonath.

You understood the aiding correctly, why on earth would we attempt to stop someone from helping someone understand what somebody else says.

I may declare once more, that what you, Lichm (and Cyclone) did was not foolish, it was outrageous and disgusting behavior towards all those players you tricked... not only should the alarm bells ring in your common sense, they should also fright you inside yourself. What you did was nowhere near a good person and what we aim to achieve with our community.

We decided to take action in forms of bans, due to the sheer amount of victims your cases had had.
It was not human anymore...

If you'd wish to play on our server anymore, I'd highly recommend reading the following
documents more than once, with a thought, with a feeling. Especially the first one.

Argonath Vision
IV:MP Server Rules

[Talya_taya]

You should understand that most new players are not native English-speakers. So yes, players can be smart but new players are not aware of the commands of our servers, our rules nor what they should be expecting from our players. So turning up at bunch of new players and spamming /give 5 10000!!! is the easiest way to fool, betray and let them down on their experience on Argonath.

It's kind a way to sell something, would you sell as much as u can or a small part of it?  :devroll:
 

I may declare once more, that what you, Lichm (and Cyclone) did was not foolish, it was outrageous and disgusting behavior towards all those players you tricked... not only should the alarm bells ring in your common sense, they should also fright you inside yourself. What you did was nowhere near a good person and what we aim to achieve with our community.

I don't think it's tricking.. It's a fair trade. I don't know there is a rule about selling drugs etc to new players..
If there is, how could I know to who I m allowed to sell? "Kind a 2,4,7... days old players I can sell them.." There is no info about that, is there? However I learnt that its a rulebreak by a warning and I did not even think about to continue to do this between the time that I got warned and banned...

We decided to take action in forms of bans, due to the sheer amount of victims your cases had had.
It was not human anymore...

We told that we were sorry and if we knew that we wouldn't do it. Please don't talk like "we were already warned and didn't care and continued.." We did this mistake without we know...

If you'd wish to play on our server anymore, I'd highly recommend reading the following
documents more than once, with a thought, with a feeling. Especially the first one.

Argonath Vision
IV:MP Server Rules

I should tell that I already read the Argonath Vision and Rules. I don't think it says sth like; we're not allowed to sell sth to new players, If it is then forgive my mistakes... If I would knew that I wouldn t do it. < Like I said in all paragraphs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~RESULT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you gonna let us play, we' re not gonna do it again.. We now know that we did something wrong and not gonna continue to do that

Otherwise our lines in this life gonna separate and you gonna escape from another annoying player... 
And I will have 13.87 GB space in my harddisk for other games  :hurray:
However I don't want that space for other games nor play in other servers...   

Your choice.. I don't have any other thing to say..
Sorry for this annoying Subject, I have never thought that I'm gonna request another unban especcialy for this thing 

Regards,
Talya_taya

[Bilbo]

Selling to new players is not disallowed, but every player should remember that a new player might not know if he is actually buying something or giving away most of his money that he has been given when joining the server. Anyone with limited ability to English may easily simply say "Yes" just because that is the only word he knows and understands of English. Even a month old player may have difficulties with any language except his mother-language - which in most of the cases is not English.

Selling to new players drugs is rule-breaking? No.
Selling to a new player drugs or anything, really, without him fully knowing what they are doing? Yes.

It may seem a clear line, but it is everything but that. It is very hard to tell if a new player or someone is fully understanding what you are saying to him or telling him to do or what kind of situation he is in. They will easily believe that what you say that $10000 for 400g of weed is a cheap price, no problem with that. BUT they do not understand that those $10000 are the all money they have. Even if you teach them to check it and notice that they do have $10K, they do not understand that re-earning it from scratch is very hard. That is one example why it is hard to tell the line of rulebreaking or not, but it should still be common sense to check it. And most of the cases today, it crosses the line into tricking new players and giving all their money rather than dealing honestly with them.

You should too be able to see that line and the difference they require.
It's not easy, but still.