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Reply #45 on: December 28, 2011, 10:04:22 pm
Not needed.. as simple as that.
The forum moderation right now isn't as great as it could be though. Right now it requires an incident to happen at the time a moderator is online to get to the report before it's seen by a ton of users and blown out of proportion. This just speeds up the process overall, and gives a better watch.



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Reply #46 on: December 28, 2011, 10:10:13 pm
The forum moderation right now isn't as great as it could be though.
Yes, however, your suggestion would only make things worse.



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Reply #47 on: December 28, 2011, 10:12:16 pm
Yes, however, your suggestion would only make things worse.
Please explain how. I have yet to see anyone suggest any reason as to how it could be a disadvantage in any way.



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Reply #48 on: December 28, 2011, 10:22:00 pm
Please explain how. I have yet to see anyone suggest any reason as to how it could be a disadvantage in any way.
Being a server administrator doesn't mean you can be a good forum moderator.



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Reply #49 on: December 28, 2011, 10:27:24 pm
Don't know if I'm supposed to take a side here...but maybe SugarD has a good point! Unless all Administrators+ (all servers) get the right to lock any topic, but not do anything else with it. This would save the "Board Moderators" part being spammed, and I'm sure administrators in all the servers can draw an accurate conclusion about when a topic should be locked!

Off-topic, I need my "LFS Admin" forum rank or something so I can see the board for Administrators...I don't know who's supposed to be community banned and stuff  :lol:


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Reply #50 on: December 28, 2011, 10:28:55 pm
Being a server administrator doesn't mean you can be a good forum moderator.
Correct, but if trusted with the ability to watch over the server and administrate users when they break the rules, then why can't they be given the chance on the forums, as well? It's just a different medium for the same job. The same, basic rules still apply across both in terms of what is said between two or more users. I'm not saying giving them the full moderation abilities...just the ones to handle reports, remove posts, and lock topics where malicious actions take place in conversations.

Off-topic, I need my "LFS Admin" forum rank or something so I can see the board for Administrators...I don't know who's supposed to be community banned and stuff  :lol:
Contact the server's leaders regarding that.



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Reply #51 on: December 28, 2011, 10:32:00 pm
Not needed.. as simple as that.
This is what I wanted to adress with my question.

We have already brought up the question of new forum moderators before this topic was made. It was decided that the demand for new ones is simply not high enough. As far as forum reports go there is probably an average of 2-4 reports a day. If there is any demand then we should have a lot more reports. As of now, the current reports are easy for us managers or community leaders to handle alone.



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Reply #52 on: December 28, 2011, 10:32:14 pm



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Reply #53 on: December 28, 2011, 10:33:00 pm
Thanks Sugar  ;)


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Reply #54 on: December 28, 2011, 10:39:22 pm
The forum moderation right now isn't as great as it could be though. Right now it requires an incident to happen at the time a moderator is online to get to the report before it's seen by a ton of users and blown out of proportion. This just speeds up the process overall, and gives a better watch.
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Reply #55 on: December 28, 2011, 10:40:38 pm
Why not have Administrators+ be given moderation rights in their respective servers' boards
The skills required to be an administrator and the skills required to be a forum moderator are vastly different.

Not to mention the fact that in general internet common sense: the smaller the number of forum moderators the better.


As for moderating, as I said, having them handle the basic moderation of reports and punishing users who flame, troll, provoke, etc. would be the same as they do IG already.
Which is to say, far too much.

They are just an extra security blanket against malicious attacks on users in addition to the ranks above them.
How is that needed? This forum barely ever sees any flame or "attacks on users" and when it does the proper forum moderators can take action on the report(s) that come in.

this would be an incredibly useful way to keep situations under control that would otherwise require a report or a watchful eye to catch hours after it has already happened.
And this is exactly why giving every administrator forum mod rights isn't a good idea. What you say in the quote above has absolutely no bearing on forum moderation whatsoever. Forum moderation is entirely about reports after the fact, by the very nature of the forum structure.

If users are being trusted to control and watch over the servers against maliciousness, and generally help users outside the scope of other players, then why can't we trust them with basic moderation of the forum?
Because it's entirely different, and it's a lot harder to find and identify genuinely malicious words than to simply (for example) see a deathmatcher deathmatching ingame. Frankly, many aren't up to the task that the former presents.

It's just a different medium for the same job.
This is simply incorrect.



I'm not saying giving them the full moderation abilities...just the ones to handle reports, remove posts, and lock topics where malicious actions take place in conversations.

full moderation abilities
handle reports, remove posts, and lock topics
These are the only important ones anyway.



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and lock topics where malicious actions take place in conversations.
Stifling a perfectly healthy discussion on a forum is never welcome, but it does sometimes happen when some moderator chooses to take offense for no particular reason.

I should also point out that it is not a forum moderator's place to be as proactive as you suggest. When I was a forum moderator, if someone called someone else an idiot, and the target of this statement did not report the post, then I would've assumed that this person chose not to take offense, and chose not to get all butthurt about it. I would therefore take no action. However if the report came through, it would result in an instant action on my part to edit out the offending material.

Something would've had to of been outright disgustingly and shockingly inappropriate for me to have taken any action without another report. As a general rule of thumb: "If nobody else reported it, and you (as a random forum user) wouldn't bother to go report it, leave it."

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Reply #56 on: December 28, 2011, 10:48:36 pm
We are humans, not machines. I don't like much things and I have to f**k with them.
What?

The skills required to be an administrator and the skills required to be a forum moderator are vastly different.

Not to mention the fact that in general internet common sense: the smaller the number of forum moderators the better.
Yes, but I said basic moderation. I'm not talking about stickying topics, enforcing signature rules, or things like that. I'm just saying the basic abilities to handle reports, lock bad topics, and remove malicious posts. That's it.

As for general internet common sense, that doesn't really apply to our community given it's size and it's heavily varying amount of time zones that users come online in. It would be spread out the same way it is with the servers, with the same amount covering each specific board.



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Reply #57 on: December 28, 2011, 10:58:17 pm
As for general internet common sense, that doesn't really apply to our community given it's size
How doesn't general internet common sense apply to an internet forum merely because it has a smaller userbase than others?

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Reply #58 on: December 28, 2011, 11:03:34 pm
How doesn't general internet common sense apply to an internet forum merely because it has a smaller userbase than others?
Because our userbase is based in different time zones, as is our administrative userbase. When it's stretched out across the different times, it would only be a small amount of moderators online at a given time.



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Reply #59 on: December 28, 2011, 11:18:47 pm
What?

He's saying that a administrator already has enough to do such as concentrating on RL and IG problems, instead of faffing about on the forums with trolls and doing more work.



 


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