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[jinjifliaktor]

Let's say it like this, in the game someone did something wrong to you and you want to offend him, can you tell him f**k you?

Example: Two different gangs in one place, they hate each other and starting to offend each other.

Can we offend someone  when it is within the roleplay?  I ask this silly question because in Argonath IC and OOC doesn't exists...

Example 2 : It's a car accident, you are one of the participants and start insulting the another one or just tell him ''idiot''. What happens then, will you be banned for insulting?


I ask here because if the admin tell you '' do not  insult him'' and you say that you offended him ICly, the admin will say that IC and OOC doesn't exists in Argonath.

[Frank_Hawk]

Better still, what if it is an consensual agreement?

[jinjifliaktor]

The ballas are just the perfect example for my topic, they are using often words like '' fool, pussy, idiot, f**k you'' and etc

Anyway, I want to see other opinions on this because sometimes confuses me. This is probably largely confusing and the newcomers in Argonath.

[Frank_Hawk]

The example is not just limited to the ballas, but to a wider range of players and groups.

Though the rules may state otherwise, reasonable tolerance is often expressed across an range of dialogues.

[jinjifliaktor]

Exactly the example I gave is not just for the ballas, but for many players.  Normally when going into a role to have character in your role. Sometimes sweet and good, sometimes bad and rude ...

[Max_Prison]

I agree with you, One time, i got rammed by some body, i got out of the car, and shouted "Idiot!!" Icly, then i got kicked by an admin for insulting.
So support this guys!

[Conroy]

Depends entirely on the situation. If you are speeding through Pershing and hit into someone and curse at him, that's not roleplay and the player should get punished.
If cursing is used in a roleplay scenario and it is clear roleplay in the correct context which wouldn't cause offence to the receiving user(s) (OOC) then I see no problem with it.
If the user is punished for this then the only fault I see here is the admin for punishing. Chances are they weren't spectating long enough to realise it was a roleplay scenario.

Only my opinion. I don't mean to insult the admin who did punish you (I can only assume that's why you opened this topic in the first place).

[Que]

Through our time with Ballas there has never been any misunderstanding what is personal and what is role-play. Everybody who rolls with any of the groups knows that they should not take any of the so-called flame offensively. I believe we all have to find a line between what is purposely for role-play and what is simply offensive flame. Bursting out "IDIOT f**k YOUR MOTHER", when someone hits you with another vehicle is obviously nothing else but pure flaming and should be punishable.

[jinjifliaktor]

I agree with you, One time, i got rammed by some body, i got out of the car, and shouted "Idiot!!" Icly, then i got kicked by an admin for insulting.
So support this guys!

For these examples I'm talking about. Actually there is nothing here to support since I have not given any idea. Just discussing.
Post Merge: October 25, 2011, 11:10:12 pm

Chances are they weren't spectating long enough to realise it was a roleplay scenario.

Only my opinion. I don't mean to insult the admin who did punish you (I can only assume that's why you opened this topic in the first place).

This happens frequently. But for the glory of Sauron, does not lead to bad consequences  than warn/kick. 
Post Merge: October 25, 2011, 11:13:26 pm

Bursting out "IDIOT f**k YOUR MOTHER", when someone hits you with another vehicle is obviously nothing else but pure flaming and show be punishable.

Agree with this.  But of course there might be mild insult as '' Watch your road, fool''

[Que]

Watch your road, fool!

If someone says that in-game, I wouldn't even think of it as flaming nor insulting. If I'm idiotic enough to crash into someone, then I have to face the consequences for my actions.

[jinjifliaktor]

After all this it seems that there aren't many misconceptions. But I would like to see the views of Aragorn, Gandalf, Kojak or Gimli. On this subject, their opinion will give the clear direction for future actions.

[Kojak]

Before establishing what is and isn't rule breaking, it is important to note that consensual agreement to break the rules is still breaking the rules. I make that point because many people seem to think that providing their actions stay between themselves there should not be a problem; however a small group of friends might decide to consensually agree to deathmatch, if allowed to happen in an uncontrolled way that could spiral easily out of control. Often this means the admins will need to take a smaller action earlier, to prevent a larger action becoming necessary later.

Regarding the issue of flaming, simply put we do not allow it; that includes role-play flaming. The reason for this is because people can and do use the excuse of role-play to victimise others, this is something I have seen many times and I know it is a real issue. That being said, there is the question of what is and isn't flaming and what we don't measure this by is a person's capacity to be offended as that is subjective. We therefore have to use our best judgement, if we feel you are going too far we will tell you. If you accept our judgement there will be no problem, but unfortunately many take this opportunity to engage in argument which is where things become problematic.

What I won't do is give examples because that could go on and on, but suffice to say if we believe your words or actions have malicious intent, or we believe your words or actions will disrupt the gameplay of others, we will put a stop to it. What I have noticed is that most admins and moderators have a decent tolerance level for this and display good judgement when drawing the line.

This post won't give you the clarification you're asking for, but that is because you as an individual must take responsibilty for your own actions and it is not up to others to tell you how to behave. All you can do is adapt to whatever consequences there are to your actions and if you get kicked and tempbanned along the way that should only help speed up the process.

[Que]

Thanks for one great reply.

[jinjifliaktor]

We therefore have to use our best judgement, if we feel you are going too far we will tell you. If you accept our judgement there will be no problem, but unfortunately many take this opportunity to engage in argument which is where things become problematic.

To some extent this means that those who are trolling, and use RP excuses to flame someone will be punished. In other words, those who do not go too far can afford to have a rough character. I got it right? 

[Kojak]

To some extent this means that those who are trolling, and use RP excuses to flame someone will be punished. In other words, those who do not go too far can afford to have a rough character. I got it right? 

That's the principle, yes. It doesn't always work out that way and sometimes we are too lenient or too harsh, that is the nature of humans working with humans. But generally speaking, that is the balance we aim to strike.