For ALL to read - clarification on when you may ask for INVESTIGATION...

[Stefanrsb]

+1 Jcs. Well i consider killbug also as a new RP starter,I consider it as before i shot him,somebodyh else did,or he fall down the stairs.. Depends on the situation,and theres also you mentioned the self defence..

[Chris_Knight]

To Que

Que. People actually missuse sentence " I saw therefore no investigation " even in such circumstances most cases have to be dealth investigation way and any refusal by an officer can be reported to administration team wich will forcefully gona make officer investigate.

Also you apointed that Officer always gona consider you guilty as he was suspector.The thing is that suspection officer never investigates suspect wich he suspected for excatly that reason ,therefore there have to be the second officer wich gona investigate as third party to give fair chance to officer and suspected citizen. Neither Officer neither citizen have equal chances prove when ever crime was valid or not by they storys and evidences provided.

Murder investigation

Many of you still do not relise that for murder even as self defence "WE DO NOT UNSUSPECT" . Laws provide  that Officers do not unsuspect for murder doesn't matter how it happened. Was it purpose murder,was it self defence as far it's homicide you will be jailed.If it's to be proven as self defence your jail time will be lowered but you will not get unsuspection.

Killbug investigation

Killbug investigations are different than murder ones due the fact that it happened cause of bug not humans fault therefore you have a chance get unsuspected . Killbug can be investigated neither by cops neither by admin but cops do not unsuspect for killbug you have to ask afther proven to be not guilty an admin to receive your unsuspection .


 :ps:Any other questions tolerated investigation might be posted here . I'll be glad to answer.

[Ben.]

With self defence, this is a common misconception. I believe that if you killed the person with a handgun, or with melee weapons, you are allowed to get an unsuspection if proven to be self-defence...its on the ARPD forum somewhere.

[Jcstodds]

  If someone killed someone and made a lot of effort in RP to prove otherwise I would cancelsuspect them. Since I do not actually care what /crime id says - that is why I investigate. First thing I usually say to a captured suspect  ....   "all right... what did yer do?" .


  If you did get auto su for murder and came to me, some examples where I may give them cancel:

- Bombarded with lots of lawyers confusing me.
- Suspect seems genuinely sorry and apologetic for actions.
- Suspect has several men pointing guns at me (mortally threatened) and I have no easy way out.
- Suspects have some kind of information to barter with, or through blackmail  (e.g. if they had a hostage to exchange for the suspect

  Those examples are where criminal will get cancelled by me and get away usually without any punishment.
  Really there are lots of scenarios i'm sure you can think of more.

  Otherwise I will still /cancelsuspect for murder if I am not jailing - if I do a RP punishment such as throwing people off bridges, deporting them to mexico, banishing them to the countryside etc  that will be their punishment and /su is no longer necassary.

 The official point is - You cannot get unsu for murder even if it was accident. However SAPD does support roleplay so you CAN take my example and /cancelsuspect is VALID for any role-play punishment given regardless of the crime. Just make sure the punishment is on the same level of crime or you might be investigated for corruption.

[Orel]

well I always give investigation when I got free time,if a suspect is wanted for murder and I saw him shooting in my eyes and I have no time to investigation I usually call another officer/jail him.

[S1mon]

As a cop and investigator, I always gave investigations, excepting cases of homicide on MY eyes, strong speed exceed in urban limits and carkills on purpose.

In all other cases, a unbias investigation was given.
Also, if an oficer pretends that Billy was shooting like a crazy guy and denies investigation - it is abuse from cops. Because:
1. Billy maybe doesn't even has guns
2. Billy was attacked, called 911, and as no cops were near him, started shooting the attacker
3. Billy was using gun on private property and without any harm to state or city property and/or other citizens

For the last point. Private property is private property. Having guns is legal. So why can't I practice shooting back my house if it won't damage anyone/anythig else?

This was my point of view as from a simple citizen and ex-cop, not as Civil Courts Judge Assistant.

[MyleS]

Did you even try to pull the guy over?

[SafetyMoose]

Oh look, its THIS thread again...

[Chris_Knight]

With self defence, this is a common misconception. I believe that if you killed the person with a handgun, or with melee weapons, you are allowed to get an unsuspection if proven to be self-defence...its on the ARPD forum somewhere.

No rule been updated when Hank was chief. Homicide doesn't matter wich way is non unsuspection able,as far homicide is done you are guilty and charged for murder read forum's once again,healthy refresh mind afther 2-3 years .
Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 03:08:03 amSuspection of violator whitout using /s1


I've seen lot of you also missunderstood the meaning of usage /s1 . In multiple cases I witness when citizen complain he has not been asked to pull over even tho in multiple cases citizens are driving way too fast vehicles. Example : I am an Officer at LS-LV Highway stand by for violators , I see passing citizen in black infernus on wrong line swearing dangerously around the lines therefore I have to perform a traffic stop. Due fact that in Argonath PD cruiser speed limit is 176km/h we can't catch up moving 210 km/h in wich situation I suspect violator for recklessing . What happens next either suspect remains evading and I request backup on violator or he stops and starts moan over all chat he got abused as he didn't saw /s1 . But if suspect remains stationary afther he received suspection ,I arive to him and perform regular traffic stop . Investigate situation closely,what was intentions of violator and does he understands his mistake,afther questioning is done and if I see no reason detain him,I can request unsuspection and relise him with an ticket (yes I know you can't unsuspect for ticket payed but there is thousand other reasons what for you can ) . So if you get example suspected due fact officer canno't catch up do not go all rage and caps over all chat that you got abused or did not see /s1 as Officer is just trying to neutralize you from street's or make you stationary for further investigation .

Obviously there is officers who abuse such system ,therefore if you are not satisfied by officer actions you can always ask an investigation from third party member an second officer.

[Get Murked]

Just because an officer says you did so, does not mean the suspect cannot request an investigation. You're basically saying that as long as the /crime reads as a valid crime, that it is valid, which is not true.

[Aldo]

This gives the criminal no chance of ever winning over an officer as every time he asks for an investigation; he is obviously wrong.

Cop sees Billy drive on the sidewalk whilst it was not in Billy's opinion, Billy asks for an investigation because he believes the cop saw wrong.
Billy is denied an investigation because the cop saw right and Billy has no right to ask for an investigation so he rather give up or die.
Billy gives up and once again; asks for an investigation. Billy is once again denied and do now face some time behind bars.

I'm with Que on this

[Chris_Knight]

As a cop and investigator, I always gave investigations, excepting cases of homicide on MY eyes, strong speed exceed in urban limits and carkills on purpose.

In all other cases, a unbias investigation was given.
Also, if an oficer pretends that Billy was shooting like a crazy guy and denies investigation - it is abuse from cops. Because:
1. Billy maybe doesn't even has guns
2. Billy was attacked, called 911, and as no cops were near him, started shooting the attacker
3. Billy was using gun on private property and without any harm to state or city property and/or other citizens

For the last point. Private property is private property. Having guns is legal. So why can't I practice shooting back my house if it won't damage anyone/anythig else?

This was my point of view as from a simple citizen and ex-cop, not as Civil Courts Judge Assistant.

Acussation case and both side evidence


Good examples here and I gona explain what to do in such situations.

1. Billy should ask investigation and investigation has to be given not by suspection officer but another officer not apart of case .
Suspection officer have to be aware of gun the Billy had as he claim he witnessed the usage of gun .
Always can be asked admin support to prove Billys innocence by checking Billys invent,lots of time do it my self as an Officer with multiple admin support as they can do it for such reason .

2.If Billy comits a homicide it still can be investigated however Billy will anyway face jail sentence . If he been proven to self defence jail sentence will be lowered but charges won't be abandoned.

If Billy got suspected for shooting while he was defending him self,he surrenders ,complys,requests investigation  and receives one. In investigation will be asked wich weapon was used,what was the threat and couple more details,afther proven self defending whitout homicide he gets unsuspected or if lies been seen or oposide side evidences providet considering Billy guilty he will face jail sentence.

3. This one is tricky. You have rights defend your property not including bussines as it's apart of goverment market. Yet there is no clear constitution saying you are allowed use fire arm in your property for no apearent reason . You are allowed defend your property by asking violator leave,call 911  or deal your self by force whitout comiting an murder . You do not expose gun in your property for no apearent reason,you do not shoot ufos from your lawn as there is no constitution giving you legal reason to do that.If there is I wish see one .

Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 03:22:20 am

I'm with Que on this

Read above response of mine about Ques post.
Post Merge: January 12, 2012, 03:22:48 am

Just because an officer says you did so, does not mean the suspect cannot request an investigation. You're basically saying that as long as the /crime reads as a valid crime, that it is valid, which is not true.

Read my response to Que.

[rJCaiG]

  If someone killed someone and made a lot of effort in RP to prove otherwise I would cancelsuspect them. Since I do not actually care what /crime id says - that is why I investigate. First thing I usually say to a captured suspect  ....   "all right... what did yer do?" .


  If you did get auto su for murder and came to me, some examples where I may give them cancel:

- Bombarded with lots of lawyers confusing me.
- Suspect seems genuinely sorry and apologetic for actions.
- Suspect has several men pointing guns at me (mortally threatened) and I have no easy way out.
- Suspects have some kind of information to barter with, or through blackmail  (e.g. if they had a hostage to exchange for the suspect

  Those examples are where criminal will get cancelled by me and get away usually without any punishment.
  Really there are lots of scenarios i'm sure you can think of more.

  Otherwise I will still /cancelsuspect for murder if I am not jailing - if I do a RP punishment such as throwing people off bridges, deporting them to mexico, banishing them to the countryside etc  that will be their punishment and /su is no longer necassary.

 The official point is - You cannot get unsu for murder even if it was accident. However SAPD does support roleplay so you CAN take my example and /cancelsuspect is VALID for any role-play punishment given regardless of the crime. Just make sure the punishment is on the same level of crime or you might be investigated for corruption.

Jcstodds you will find that the suspects who stay in LS tend to be a lot more moany and whiney about everything. I've chased guys for 20 mins around LS, finally got backup, got him stopped, he got out of his car, did /gu and immediately asked for investigation..
You all need to understand this topic is for EXTREME cases, and the exmaples should reflect this. I exaggerated them all for a reason. Cases where a guy comes doing RP - of course you investigate and deserve an investigation. Neither myself nor any other police officer will have a problem with this!
It is the guys who continuously ask for investigation on every single situation that needs to stop. People also need to realise that jail is not the worst thing that can happen to you - it's between 30 and 180 seconds of your life gone. Go to the toilet, get a drink, get some biscuits, stop being so scared of the jail...

[Chris_Knight]

As Giac stated only in "extreme relic situations" Investigation is getting denied and only for valid reasons . Other than that in most cases investigation should be issued and are given.

[Jones]

Ordinance XII:  In the case of arrest or detention, a citizen must be promptly informed of the reasons, must also be informed that he has the right to a lawyer and must be allowed to use that right as soon as possible. He shall also have the validity of the detention controlled by the present law and to be released if the detention is not lawful.

If you don't have your rights read to you, breach of constitution.

If you have your rights read to you, you may request a lawyer, furthermore an investigation.