The Macedonian Nationalistic Group-SoA[Sons of Alexander]

[Antonio.]

Well stop with your provocations if you don't want to offend peoples, by the way I mention Kosovo because u talking about "History".

Explain to me what I said about history? If you don't want to get provoked, don't do the same. It's obvious this was just made by some wanna-bes just to provoke when they do not even have enough knowledge to comprehend what they are even talking about.

OK so here is a question IS ALL of Eastern Europe just 1 big racial trailer park? It seems like rather then the rest of Europe being one type of people  or believe in one religion makes you hostile to others? Example Serbia there is like 5 sub nations for the same type of people, and what is really the difference between Greek and Macedonia? both speak Greek? or do you have language thats like Spanish to Portuguese? honestly you wonder why the EU want exclude the small nations its because unlike the other nations of EU that have been able to put there BS about each other, aside for a common economical goal.

Maybe we should just let the Ottoman's come back at least they were able to forcefully control this part of the world and unify them.

Bad blood has been shed for years between Balkan nations, if you think about it, each and every one of them. From years and years, people are still fighting about territory and what not. For example, saying about those 5 sub nations of Serbia would offend somebody. The issue about Greece and today's Macedonia is the name.

If the Ottomans come back, I am killing Yuri Gvardia.

[jinjifliaktor]

You all need to stop living behind the computers. Nobody forces you to open and watch this topic. If someone does not like it, just do not watch, do not open the topic, do not post, do not provoke. Macedonians, you should to stop call them Shiptars or what ever you call them. If you say Greece is Macedonian, they will come and say Macedonia is Greek. If you respect them, they will respect you. Nice weather is just starting out, instead of sitting behind your computer and insult people who can not even see, go out and play football, chase girls. 


Arguing about history of countries is impossible on internet, or at least in Argonath. 

[Toto]

Kids did you see what is smart guy ? Before reply read Gavino's post and think twice. Thanks I'll stop here.

[Toto]

I know, but Gavino explained it good.

[Cofiliano]

OK so here is a question IS ALL of Eastern Europe just 1 big racial trailer park?

South Europe, south. There is no such thing as racial conflict in Balkan.

It seems like rather then the rest of Europe being one type of people  or believe in one religion makes you hostile to others? Example Serbia there is like 5 sub nations for the same type of people

explan what you meant

and what is really the difference between Greek and Macedonia? both speak Greek?

Like between Italians and Russians. Yes, that huge difference.

honestly you wonder why the EU want exclude the small nations its because unlike the other nations of EU that have been able to put there BS about each other, aside for a common economical goal.

Honestly, those same nations on Balkan you're talking about, created a Union before EU, called Yugoslavia. We had our own 'EU' even before 'you guys' were genociding each other on the west side.
That Union was 3rd greatest army power in the world, financial paradise, employment over 95 percent, social care like in Scandinavia, brotherhood of people. It was the first neutral country in teh cold war, who created the Union of the Neutrals.

Then some Western guys decided since the Berlin Wall is going down, and the Cold War was done, to tear it a part and make brothers fight among each others, so they would achive their goals. Yugoslavia went down, and the whole brotherhood, and guess what? Then you created EU and started bitching about putting difference a side.

Maybe we should just let the Ottoman's come back at least they were able to forcefully control this part of the world and unify them.

Maybe you should ask Ottomans how they end up in this part of the world, and how many rulers , and people they've lost, Im proud to say, by  Serbs only, not to mention other Balkan nation, then came back with that conclusion.

[Gandalf]

South Europe, south. There is no such thing as racial conflict in Balkan. explan what you meantLike between Italians and Russians. Yes, that huge difference.Honestly, those same nations on Balkan you're talking about, created a Union before EU, called Yugoslavia. We had our own 'EU' even before 'you guys' were genociding each other on the west side.
That Union was 3rd greatest army power in the world, financial paradise, employment over 95 percent, social care like in Scandinavia, brotherhood of people. It was the first neutral country in teh cold war, who created the Union of the Neutrals.

Then some Western guys decided since the Berlin Wall is going down, and the Cold War was done, to tear it a part and make brothers fight among each others, so they would achive their goals. Yugoslavia went down, and the whole brotherhood, and guess what? Then you created EU and started bad girling about putting difference a side.Maybe you should ask Ottomans how they end up in this part of the world, and how many rulers , and people they've lost, Im proud to say, by  Serbs only, not to mention other Balkan nation, then came back with that conclusion.

Who has written your history book and what was he using? I want some of it. :cool:

Yugoslavia went down after the leader Tito died. The EU however was formed shortly after WW2, long before that happened. The main problem in Yugoslavia was that without a strong leader, the different ethnic groups started to fight between each other for power, then for independence.

And as soon as they gained independence they run to the EU to give it up again, just like the Baltics did....

[Ricardo.]

Damn, whenever I click to see this topic I feel that I'm assisting my old history classes.

[Cofiliano]

Who has written your history book and what was he using? I want some of it. :cool:

I've study history from Serbian, Croatian, Bosniak, Albanian, Turkish, British, Russian and American sources. How about you?

Yugoslavia went down after the leader Tito died.

Yugoslavia existed while Tito was nothing but a plumber.

The EU however was formed shortly after WW2, log before that happened. The main problem in Yugoslavia was that without a strong leader, the different ethnic groups started to fight between each other for power, then for independence.

EU wasn't formed shortly after WW2 at all, they need it 20 years just to have a Union for iron and metals, that was a preview of EU. European Community and the Union, was two different structures, that were even unifed by different countries, and it lasted like that until 1993.

And as soon as they gained independence they run to the EU to give it up again, just like the Baltics did....

In which they're all gonna be united again with the same countries that they 'gain' independence from. Which again, proves the point that someone else is creating 'faith' of our countries from outside. Anybody said George Soros?
And they've doing it the same way they've lead our nations in WWII, in which we wanted to stay neutral and save our people, but noooooo.

[Gandalf]

I've study history from Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Turkish, British, Russian and American sources. How about you?

Is that how they call Wikipedia?  :razz:

The EC and EU are the same, when the EC was formed it was done so with the clear mission to become a Union. While it is correct that political unity (and with that loss of independence) started with the Treaty of Maastricht, it was not something that suddenly formed, but that was planned a long time before.

I was not talking about the formation, but about the demise of Yugoslavia. At the time Russia had no strong leader it threatened to fall apart over ethnic problems, in Yugoslavia this got encouraged by countries who understood a united Yugoslavie would be competing with France and Germany, while split in to parts it would not have such power.

[Cofiliano]

Is that how they call Wikipedia?  :razz:

That's how they call MDA in history school.

I was not talking about the formation, but about the demise of Yugoslavia. At the time Russia had no strong leader it threatened to fall apart over ethnic problems, in Yugoslavia this got encouraged by countries who understood a united Yugoslavie would be competing with France and Germany, while split in to parts it would not have such power.

Which is exactly what I pointed out from the begining. Spain with Catalonia and Bascque, Belgium with their separation problem, and many more countries in West Europe, would(will) get the same scenario as we did in Yugoslavia, as soon as their economy goes down the way it went in Yugoslavia by itself, but maybe they will have a peaceful divorse, not cause they're more civilized then Us, but because it would be in someones best interest to have a such scenario, or if not, they'll just get a civil war, the same way we had.

[Jubin]

And as soon as they gained independence they run to the EU to give it up again, just like the Baltics did....

SU was a country, EU is not.

[Gandalf]

SU was a country, EU is not.

SU was a political union acting as one regarding foreign policies, with (in theory) independent states.
EU is a political union acting as one regarding foreign policies, with (limited) independent states.

Welcome to the EUSSR  :roll:

[Cofiliano]

Not all countries of EU are members of NATO. Which means they do not have the mutual military under one control like in USSR.

EU isn't a country, but it isn't a union either, currently its more of a confederation, and never in history of politics confederation couldn't be stable and long distance system, it was always used as a transition from Unionistic system to independance of the countries, or the other way around.

And yes, all members of EU do lose a lot of independance, shown by giving soveregnity to EU Council, but its not a country(at least not yet).

[Tomica]

OFFICIAL. /STICKY

[gEORGEf]

I won't say soething provoking.

I think we all know what are the goverments doing.The history books of every nation refer only to the good sides of their history?
Do you know any history books at schools talking about massacres,destructions and use of inhuman means??? These are never menteioned fully. What I want to say is that WW2 is over and the ethnicosocialists also known as 'nazis' no longer exist.
There may be differences between tha nations now but WHO knows how will tha world be in like 50 years to come.There may be only 1 country.
I am sorry If I said anything provoking.The real history by trusted sources can never be underestimated.I am staying on what I believe,you will probably stay on what you believe and I don't blame you but in a war men die for nothing but the power of the kings.Let this world remain in peace.