Life out of our Solar system? Wait, what?

[Exterminator]

No, but what i am asking is HOW DA f**k DID MATER GET HERE?! On a what way?

Let me say it in a simpler way. You are on a stage, and your a actor. You are playing the universe.Whenever you need a prop, one is brought in.

The universe does just that, whenever i needs more particles, it summons matter and antimatter.
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 04:51:31 pm

I find it flawed to decide what lies outside of the universe by using conventional physics and theories. How do you even know that the laws of physics do not work or are different altogether "outside" of our universe?

Actually, they dont.
You see, it all depends on several factors, If multiverses really do exist then they obiviously didnt start off with the same conditions as us. Maybe the power of their bang was higher, maybe their amount of dark energy is higher(Ours is 10 to the power of -100 which is a REALLY small number). If their dark energy is different that will result in a different formation of the cosmic bodies, thus affecting gravity electromagnetivity and everything else.
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 04:58:58 pm

I had never heard about Multiverse so I believe in a single Universe. As you say, exterminator, the cause of inflation of the universe is because of the existence of other universes. The scientists still haven't seen or proved the existence of other Universes (or Multiverse). To actually prove it, the scientists will first need to create an object that will be able to cover the existing Universe which is impossible for now, it would take more than hundred thousand years to do that, they don't even have enough resources to start covering the universe. Plus, it hasn't been proven that universe is finite nor has it been proven that universe is infinite. To actually start searching for other universes, i think the scientists will have to discover whether the universe is finite or infinite. Until they find a way to reach parts of the universe beyond limitations of light, they won't discover if it's finite or infinite. So until they at least cover the entire existing universe, we can't say there is another universe.

Actually if you trace my posts, i never said that they DO exist, i also never said that inflation is caused by other universes, it is a internal substance of cosmological explosions. But most of our science is theoretical, and currently all theories suggest(and many NEED) multiverses. Matter of fact 99 percent of what you studied in school is theoretical. Newton's laws of motion, motion and everything else is based on sheer observance and it mostly theoretical. So yeah, if there arent multiverses then science needs to find a new explaination for the THOUSANDS of theories that need it.

[CharlieKasper]

Let me say it in a simpler way. You are on a stage, and your a actor. You are playing the universe.Whenever you need a prop, one is brought in.

The universe does just that, whenever i needs more particles, it summons matter and antimatter.

Because the prop is available in that case. The question here is, where are those matters summoned from?

Actually, they dont.
You see, it all depends on several factors, If multiverses really do exist then they obiviously didnt start off with the same conditions as us. Maybe the power of their bang was higher, maybe their amount of dark energy is higher(Ours is 10 to the power of -100 which is a REALLY small number). If their dark energy is different that will result in a different formation of the cosmic bodies, thus affecting gravity electromagnetivity and everything else.

There must be at least a single source that says that the other universes might have higher of what you call dark energy resulting in the formation of altered cosmic bodies. Do you have any such source?

[saberman]

What you should try to explain is why you find it more believable that things which are according to modern science impossible happened, yet you refuse to accept a theory that nobody has been able to disprove in more than 100 years.

Hi.

First off, look at yourself. You have arms, legs, and a head. Your body is great, almost too great for a random chance to have you evolved from sperm (that is the first living creature on Earth according to Science, no?) to such a great being. I believe it is highly improbably, like 0.000000001% chances that such can occur...

  Space and other living beings (aliens).. You believe there is a life outside of our Earth. If life is possible in other planets, we would've found it some time ago. Even if the climate is harsh (not extremely harsh) or cold (not extremely cold, I mean really extremely cold), the living beings that formed could have been made to survive it. Just like how your Science says we evolved from little creatures to this..

  Why choose Islam (and Qu'ran) over Science? Well, I've been thinking about it. I even started to have slight doubt Islam, once, to be honest. But then, I saw many points to support Islam, almost too many to convince myself purely. Some points that are in my mind:

1) Zam Zam A well / fountain that is flowing even before 600 AD (not sure, it was there before Muhammad(PBUH) was there, and I think Muhammad (PBUH) were living at around 600 AD) and is still flowing till today, and is said to persist until Apocalypse (in Quran). Till today Scientists have failed to explain where this water is coming from, a proof that Islam is real, so is Allah (our God).

2) Quran itself a Proof
By reviewing Quran, I have reached to the judgement that no mere human is able to write such a book. Quran is said to be written by Muhammad (PBUH), who was told what to write by Hazrat Jibraeel (what you call Archangel Gabriel), who passed on the  message of Allah. This is a book with clear message of Allah. It being so well structured and written, no way a human can write it. Therefore, I am pretty sure Quran itself is a proof to Islam's existence. Even if you do not believe this being the truth, in 600 AD, how can an Arabic manage to write such a fake book? How can the future generations (of 600 AD) also follow the path?

3) Why Would it be Fake?
The question that is in my mind, why would Islam be fake. It teaches us lessons, lessons about wrong-doings and righteous-doings. It teaches us a lot. It helps us to become a better human, why would anyone want to fake it? Of course it would take an extremely intellectual person to write such a book (Qu'ran) just to help humans walk in to the right path, which is very extremely improbable.

4) Us, other life, and probability
Another thing I often think about, ourselves. Look at yourself, look at the world we are in (Earth and humanity). It all looks, so great, so good, almost too good for such to occur by chance... You should not think about this very often, I heard it can be harmful for yourself: have you ever thought how it would be for you to never exist? How time would've never been in existence. Very confusing. Yes. If life is possible in other planets, wouldn't it be so that we would've found it by now? According to Science, we formed by a very long process of evolution in which 'sperm' evolved in to bigger creatures. Of course climate had an impact, and we started to have features to support the climate. Why can't the same be so in other planets? Why can't other planets have life by now? We are easily visible and not really the 'hiding' type. It is probable that the aliens would be the same.

5) Dinosaurs?
People believe Dinosaurs died due to a meteor. It is pretty obvious that a meteor wouldn't be able to kill all the dinosaurs. It is a clear excuse. I have not read what Islam says about Dinosaurs. But it is obvious that Science is not really reliable when it comes to Pre-History.

Thank you.
Waleed / Sabreman.
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 05:14:33 pm

The universe does just that, whenever i needs more particles, it summons matter and antimatter.

It just spawns matter and antimatter by itself?

[CharlieKasper]

i also never said that inflation is caused by other universes, it is a internal substance of cosmological explosions.

Also, how can you explain eternal inflation?our universe is being pushed, so unless theres another one how  is that happening? Many of our theories confirm multiverses.

Actually if you trace my posts, i never said that they DO exist, i also never said that inflation is caused by other universes, it is a internal substance of cosmological explosions. But most of our science is theoretical, and currently all theories suggest(and many NEED) multiverses. Matter of fact 99 percent of what you studied in school is theoretical. Newton's laws of motion, motion and everything else is based on sheer observance and it mostly theoretical. So yeah, if there arent multiverses then science needs to find a new explaination for the THOUSANDS of theories that need it.

And how can you prove that most of our laws and theories are theoretical? I don't even think they just make theories or calculations without doing any experiments or gaining some experience.
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 05:16:57 pm

sperm (that is the first living creature on Earth according to Science, no?)

No.

[saberman]

Green living slime*

[Exterminator]

Because the prop is available in that case. The question here is, where are those matters summoned from?
There must be at least a single source that says that the other universes might have higher of what you call dark energy resulting in the formation of altered cosmic bodies. Do you have any such source?

For your first question, im sorry but that we dont really know. Quantum science is actually one of the biggest mysteries, and to date the only thing that explains it is the string theory(but we cant rely on string theory as it has absolute zero proof).
As for your second one, look up on google multiverse theory, you will find a lot of instances of it, most probably all of them have this mentioned in it.

Also to your next post...Dude give me a break im not a almighty god of harvard, pls start googling -.- i will refer you to a video of mit's video by walter lewin mentioning that newton's laws cant be proven(i have no idea what part of the video he says that in and its a 30 min lecture i watched several weeks ago, so dont ask me that and watch it yourself. You wont regret it)
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-01-physics-i-classical-mechanics-fall-1999/video-lectures/lecture-6/
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 05:20:47 pm

Green living slime*

Nothing like that even exists -.-
The first creatures, according to our latest research were either bacterial or algal in nature.

[Kalvin]

I, 100Percent Agree with you Waleed.
Good Written.

Read Quran, You'll get the answer by yourself.

About 1) Zam Zam:
Islamic history states that the Zamzam Well was revealed to Hagar, the second wife of Abraham and mother of Ismail around the year 2000 BC. According to Islamic tradition, she was desperately seeking water for her infant son, but she could not find any, as Mecca is located in a hot dry valley with few sources of water. Muslim traditions say that Hagar ran seven times back and forth in the scorching heat between the two hills of Safa and Marwah, looking for water. Getting thirstier by the second, Ishmael scraped the land with his feet, where suddenly water sprang out. There are other versions of the story involving God sending his angel, Gabriel, who kicked the ground with his heel and the water rose.
The name of the well traditionally comes from the phrase Zome Zome, meaning "stop", which, according to legend, was a command repeated by Hagar during her attempt to contain the spring water.
According to Islamic tradition, Abraham rebuilt the Bait-ul-Allah ("House of God", cognate of the Hebrew-derived place name Bethel) near the site of the well, a building which had been originally constructed by Adem, and today is called the Kaaba, a building toward which all Muslims around the world face in prayer, five times each day. The Zamzam Well is located approximately 20 m (66 ft) east of the Kaaba.
-Information from Quran, Wiki.

[saberman]

Nothing like that even exists -.-
The first creatures, according to our latest research were either bacterial or algal in nature.

Well, what ever. It was written in the book (History), doesn't really matter anyway.

[saberman]

Oh, a science vs religion topic, how cute.

If you noticed, it was to disprove Darwin's theory and your Science theories and researches ... It does contain religious contain to disprove it, though.

[CharlieKasper]

For your first question, im sorry but that we dont really know. Quantum science is actually one of the biggest mysteries, and to date the only thing that explains it is the string theory(but we cant rely on string theory as it has absolute zero proof).

Exactly what I meant. The theories aren't reliable. Therefor we simply can't even rely on the theories you mentioned. As long as it has not been proved that where does the Universe get the aforementioned matter from, I just won't believe it.

As for your second one, look up on google multiverse theory, you will find a lot of instances of it, most probably all of them have this mentioned in it.

Also to your next post...Dude give me a break im not a almighty god of harvard, pls start googling -.- i will refer you to a video of mit's video by walter lewin mentioning that newton's laws cant be proven(i have no idea what part of the video he says that in and its a 30 min lecture i watched several weeks ago, so dont ask me that and watch it yourself. You wont regret it)

I can't reply on these, I have a 64kb/s connection so can't check multiple websites. As soon as I get a proper internet, I'll. Thanks!
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 07:11:14 pm

4) Us, other life, and probability
Another thing I often think about, ourselves. Look at yourself, look at the world we are in (Earth and humanity). It all looks, so great, so good, almost too good for such to occur by chance...

Uh, it didn't occur by chance, everything just evolved.

If life is possible in other planets, wouldn't it be so that we would've found it by now? According to Science, we formed by a very long process of evolution in which 'sperm' evolved in to bigger creatures. Of course climate had an impact, and we started to have features to support the climate. Why can't the same be so in other planets? Why can't other planets have life by now? We are easily visible and not really the 'hiding' type. It is probable that the aliens would be the same.

Sperm can't evolve into a human itself. It needs an egg to fertilize. I just won't go deep into this matter since you haven't studied about this and are under-aged.

[Exterminator]

Exactly what I meant. The theories aren't reliable. Therefor we simply can't even rely on the theories you mentioned. As long as it has not been proved that where does the Universe get the aforementioned matter from, I just won't believe it.
I can't reply on these, I have a 64kb/s connection so can't check multiple websites. As soon as I get a proper internet, I'll. Thanks!
Post Merge: June 04, 2012, 07:11:14 pmUh, it didn't occur by chance, everything just evolved. Sperm can't evolve into a human itself. It needs an egg to fertilize. I just won't go deep into this matter since you haven't studied about this and are under-aged.

I dont exactly "believe" in any of the theories, but i want to believe. Science rides on theories, and is 90 percent wrong. Yet we deal with it

Also sabreman, its no value of "too good to be true".
You stand on the planet earth. Theres approximately a million objects that are about the size of the earth in the solar system alone(yes earth is very small, we classify it as a planet but in reality, earth and mercury may very well join pluto.
Earth is part of a solar system, almost every star forms a solar system. A solar system has a average of 6 planets, and billions of other objects sucked in by its gravity.
You live in the milky way galaxy, where theres such a big amount of solar systems(THAT WE HAVE YET NOTED) that if i try to copy paste the digits here the forum will give me a too big text problem.
The same is true for galaxies, and theres so many of them that if you took every atom in the entire milky way, and every atom stood for a galaxy and you raise the number to a trillion. It still wouldnt account for even one trillionth of the entire size(and that big number raises to one trillion is a number that the world's most powerful computer will take CENTURIES to compute)

The conditions needed for life arent all futile, for example plants need CO2, not so much O. So a plant can exist on a planet whose major gas component is CO2(and H2O is also required, ofcourse).

Till now, we have identified thousands of bodies that may also harbor life just like earth in our own solar system. It is extremely likely that several of them posess it too. Now compare it to the solar systems, galaxies and possbily(multiverses). Now, tell me how high are the chances?

Let me tell you something, J.E littlewood, a mathematician at cambridge university wrote about this in his book. He said the average person is alert for about 8 hours a day, and something happens to the person about once a second.At this rate you expirience 1 million events every thirty five days. So when you say "one in a million", you are also saying once in a month

[Freedom]

I'm not even going to argue about this.

[Leon.]

Also, WHAT is the beginning of time?

Assuming the Big Bang theory is true, there is no beginning of time. The singularity that would soon cause the big bang was so dense that it distorted time, similar to how black holes do.

Of course, we could all be wrong and people a thousand years later will be loling at us.

[Exterminator]

Assuming the Big Bang theory is true, there is no beginning of time. The singularity that would soon cause the big bang was so dense that it distorted time, similar to how black holes do.

Umm..No...Time begins with the big bang. The nanosecond the big bang took place is the beginning of time, in our universe. Space and time were created together, in a big fabric.

Of course, we could all be wrong and people a thousand years later will be loling at us.

They most probably will.

[Jubin]

. So when you say "one in a million", you are also saying once in a month

So periods?