Gang Wars FAQ

[Gandalf]

A recent large incident between the two most prominent groups has sparked attention from the HQ.
Several things happened that were bending the rules, and both sides were guilty, also both sides are still trying to send reports and get players from the other side punished.

Now we could spend half a day checking out the logs and banning 4 or 5 players from each group, and sit some hours explaining in unban requests. But to be honest I do not feel like spending this time.

There for any family, group or gang who wishes to start a war should keep some things in mind:
1. Never fight another group because you hate them. Hate will not stop because of a fight, if you win you will provoke them in to a new fight, if you lose you will hate them more.
2. Fight for honour, and fight with honour. Respect server rules as not returning, and do not try to find reasons to return like setting hits or spawning in or near the battleground. Respect other players and after the fight show you enjoyed, rather than giving a bad attitude.
3. Do not constantly repeat. Most family feuds have already no idea about what, when, who or why something started. They just kill each other because of seeing a tag. This is not how you should operatre.
4. If there is a large shootout, things end. After that any attack, provoking or killing single members is simple breaking servfer rules. Want to create a new battle ? Then find a GOOD reason, not do a random kill.
5. Ask admins to be present. In an open server, people may arrive who do not understand the rules or what is going on. And some players might in the heat of the battle lose their good intentions and start breaking rules. Admins, either neutral ones or from opposite sides working together, can then be invaluable for the atmosphere.
6. Do not gloat or provoke. If you have to comment on each others topic, instead of ' we pwned you losers' tell them 'good fight, it was very close'.

To be short, fight with respect and for respect.

We will request the group leaders to reform the validation system, so as to have a clear view on which groups are fighting and why. But in the mean time, understand that the next incident where groups are flaming each other and admins and rulebreaking during a large shootout will lead to long cooling-off times, and possible heavier punishments for all involved.

_{Original by Gandalf, Edited by Traser - 09-10-2014}

[Jcstodds]

  Some may need a reminder that TDM is not allowed, so I will clarify simply in this question and answer topic, with examples.
 

Attacking someone because they have a different skin is not a valid RP Reason.
  You are balla and he is grove? You say some disrespect and think it is RP, then blast each other. This is not RP. It gives bad example to new players especially since these skins are so popular. Gathering all your friends, waiting for someone in another gang to fart is not a reason for your entire gang to attack everyone with that colour.


Because you are the same gang colours, does not mean you have RP reason to "protect" from cops or other gang
You need RP reason to attack. Even a basic "/s you attack my brother!" is sufficient so that everyone knows who is who.


"My RP reason is that there was a gang war right?"
  This is an example of DMer response I get a few times.


Attacking a gang because of something that happened another day.
 If something happened the other day or longer that resulted in your gang wanting revenge, better ensure everyone involved knows the RP reason of the attack. As it has always been, you must introduce, with RP, your reason to attack. You cannot just turn up and blast someone to defend your "friend". 


"So what we cannot fight other gangs?"   (Gang war outlines)
-  Must be good RP reason to have such a large fight. You are risking your life and your friends... and think for what...
-  Every member of each group involved should personally know the RP reason why you are having fight. If they don't- you are not involved in the RP. It would just be TDM.
-  Avoid populated areas. Gives bad examples to new players. Also you don't want cops to interfere from a RP perspective.
-  Try include or build up to fight with some actual attempt to RP (even if its just a few jests with /s)... then any admins can know reason and will be more fun.   
-  For best results, organise with the enemy leaders where to meet beforehand. Do not turn up randomly as you could be interrupting RP or teaching new players and involve many others who have no idea what the fight is about.



Why did you stop our gang war admin? 
  If it does not conform to any of the outlines above. If it does not have any objective other than mindless killing (such as: hey cops we robbing a bank lets shoot each other). Or if it generates complaints of DM due to poor organisation an admin may put a stop to it.


Bottom line: If there is a mass fight that does not meet any of the above and you are involved, expect admin action.

  The gang war outlines are guides for your gang so that they do not break any server rules. Follow the guidelines and you will be ok. If you don't know RP reason why you are attacking, then that is unacceptable and do not do it. Excercise some restraint.

Got any questions - ask, and if they are relevant to many I will put on this topic.

[Chrome]

Never had any issues regarding gang wars whenever we had one. Two groups applied to the same rules, if the shit got out of hand, we talked over PM and set the whole thing on ice for a while.
But yeah, gang wars can be used as a "reason" to DM, which is simply moronic.

[Jcstodds]

Never had any issues regarding gang wars whenever we had one. Two groups applied to the same rules, if the shit got out of hand, we talked over PM and set the whole thing on ice for a while.
But yeah, gang wars can be used as a "reason" to DM, which is simply moronic.

  Gang wars are not a reason to kill, the actual term "Gang War" is just the same as "Agreed Team Deathmatch".

  Even if you organised a shootout to decide some RP stuff and it goes to best scenario: all players know a decent enough RP reason for the fight, no one returns after death, no one at the end cares about getting revenge (endless DM cycle) and all had fun... if it is in somewhere like LS - lots of new players will see and they will think it is acceptable. Or they may even join in cause they have the same skin. It is not a good message to give out.

  So putting an end to it. Want large gang shootouts? Make sure the RP reason is good and known throughout (1 guy disrespect is not a reason) the entire groups involved, and do it somewhere OUT OF LS where new players and others will not get caught up - including cops, which can turn it into even bigger mess (surely you do not want cops interfering or that defeats the point of having a fight with the other gang for your honour/ respect).

Who dont know what is RP ? srsly ?

Srsly ? Stop saying that your RP isn't the best RP i saw. so you cant say that when your RP is a Sh**

Please do not go off topic.

[Jcstodds]

Updated OP.

[Zaila]

I remember a TeaM vs i9 brawl we had a couple of months ago. After the brawl, both sides laughed at it because we both had so much fun during it (remember Frank, we won it! ).

If both sides agrees, gang fights can be loads of fun.

[Webster]

I remember a TeaM vs i9 brawl we had a couple of months ago. After the brawl, both sides laughed at it because we both had so much fun during it (remember Frank, we won it! ).

If both sides agrees, gang fights can be loads of fun.

Brawls can be found on rare occasions, you won't see Sopranos and Straccis(just an example) taking on each other with baseball bats and knives.Gang fights these days are considered as DM wars.

[Mashgash]

Brawls can be found on rare occasions, you won't see Sopranos and Straccis(just an example) taking on each other with baseball bats and knives.Gang fights these days are considered as DM wars.

The fact is that players rarely fight for fun and enjoyment anymore. It is serious and the loser accuse the winner for cheating and the winner accuse the loser for shitty players who can not use a gun. Fight for fun and respect. I am seriously getting tired on teaching all of you the same thing, when you obviously know what is right and wrong.

[Jcstodds]

  Brawls are much more RP friendly since you can face off in the beginning, without the threat of being shot to death instantly whilst typing out a message. Also they can be more violent  :evil:

[Webster]

There's another factor that can make your playing time more fun, create brawls between two parties!

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

so if my homie ness is getting the shit beaten out of him, im not allowed to blast those niggas for it? either this is complete 100% retarded or im reading it wrong and im 100% retard which is more likely.

[Morais]

so if my homie ness is getting the shit beaten out of him, im not allowed to blast those niggas for it? either this is complete 100% retarded or im reading it wrong and im 100% retard which is more likely.

Shame to see this kind of posts.

Read the whole topic.

[Mashgash]

so if my homie ness is getting the shit beaten out of him, im not allowed to blast those niggas for it? either this is complete 100% retarded or im reading it wrong and im 100% retard which is more likely.

Someone didn't read whole sentences...

You are not allowed to pop up from middle of nowhere and start to blast the attacker with your shotgun without a word. If you present your self with "Ey, hands off my brother or I blast your ass off nigg'!" you have introduced your self and the attacker is very well aware of who you are and what you will do.

Read again, Pepper!

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

yes, because anyone witnessing their friend being killed will kindly introduce themselves.

"hello good sir, i am pepper and you are hurting my friend there. with the current circumstances, i will have to take out my shotgun and kill you. good day."

this makes about as much sense as nailing jello to a tree. honestly, who is the one who just disregarded logic and made this up???

i guess admins will just have to ban everyone 

[Jcstodds]

  If you are with your criminal friend you should have plenty of time to "/s SAVE NESS" or if you can see cops coming, you could just say "leave him alone" before.

If you dont have time to say 2 words, it means you have just drove up and are shooting cops for no RP reason, which is not allowed. RP reason is so victim (whoever you attack) knows without doubt you are with him, then he cannot complain you killed him with DM.

RP Is about communication. It is no good saying to admin after you are punished "omg I defend my friend"... when the guy had no idea who the hell you are. If you want to kill without a single word - go to Paruni DM server.