/c bribe

[JDC]

It should be removed as it is easily exploitable, such as the old /confess command on SA:MP.

Either that or enforce regulation forbidding any escape once the suspect is in the custody of any law enforcement other than the one accepting the bribe, on the pain of administrative sanctions.

[Kessu]

We have never limited the usage of bribe command, it has never been a problem either. And it has been in the server since atleast 1.1.

Now because you didn't get your money once of a suspect, does not make the command abuseable. What Stormeus said is kinda something that fixes the problem.

Best solution is not removing the problem always, but working on ways around it to make it work.

[JDC]

We have never limited the usage of bribe command, it has never been a problem either. And it has been in the server since atleast 1.1.

Now because you didn't get your money once of a suspect, does not make the command abuseable. What Stormeus said is kinda something that fixes the problem.

I care about making money off suspects just as I do about admins who support rulebreaking, which is about nothing at all. My point is that it can currently be a script-supported way of breaking one of the fundamental server rules that can be abused regardless of distance checks.

* Surrendered suspects (that have surrendered through /c sur(render)) cannot flee or be attacked by police unless under imminent threat.
* Surrendered suspects cannot be rescued either, until jailed.

Disable it after surrender or remove it.

[Klaus]

The rules you mentioned were put in place for a reason, and those reasons have nothing to do with criminals bribing police. The rule where players are not allowed to flee after surrendering is to try and increase the roleplay, seeing as they would of been cuffed by police. The rule where suspects cannot be rescued, is to prevent a surrendered suspect fleeing just because his mates pwnt every cop in town. Bribing police is roleplay, that can happen anytime between a criminal and a cop. So what if criminals are captured? This doesn't stop them handing over cash to let the cops forget all about the charges

[stormeus]

This doesn't stop them handing over cash to let the cops forget all about the charges

Aside from the fact that their hands are cuffed and they can't exactly reach into their pocket. :banana:

[JDC]

The rules you mentioned were put in place for a reason, and those reasons have nothing to do with criminals bribing police. The rule where players are not allowed to flee after surrendering is to try and increase the roleplay, seeing as they would of been cuffed by police. The rule where suspects cannot be rescued, is to prevent a surrendered suspect fleeing just because his mates pwnt every cop in town. Bribing police is roleplay, that can happen anytime between a criminal and a cop. So what if criminals are captured? This doesn't stop them handing over cash to let the cops forget all about the charges

It's like saying that it's okay to use gravity hacks because you are RPing a flying demigod, it's roleplay anyway.

[Kessu]

It's like saying that it's okay to use gravity hacks because you are RPing a flying demigod, it's roleplay anyway.

What....?

Also person actually CAN reach their pockets while cuffed. (Atleast around here)

And if you, JDC, are coming to this topic to blame us supporting rulebreakers you can simply fuck off.

[Huntsman]

And if you, JDC, are coming to this topic to blame us supporting rulebreakers you can simply f**k off.

Emm, well, that was rude... 

Anyways, i don't really get your point JDC, i mean, how does the /c bribe command cause any rulebreaks or problems over here?
I never seen /c bribe command being abused in any way, and if speaking at that matter, then i seen this command being used only twice or something like that, when i saw "Player is now mysteriously no longer wanted"

Other than that, no-one has ever abused this command and no-one ever will, because mostly only the regular VCMP Argonath players are well aware of this command and of what it does. And when regulars break the rules, they have a lot stricter punishments applied to them, so i guess this fact keeps them away from abusing the /c bribe command, if it's even possible to abuse it..

And i do not actually see how bribing while surrendered is an abuse. It is not, it's purely roleplay. A suspect can bribe a cop anytime

BTW Kessu, a cuffed person cannot reach pockets, so he can be prevented from reaching any gun he might have in it, for example knife and etc.

[stormeus]

The problem isn't really the command itself, but how it's used. The only times I've ever seen it used successfully is a high-profile suspect paying a newcomer cop, who's hunting for money anyway, the bare minimum bribe to troll other police.

EDIT: Not that I suggest removing outright either, but when this happens and the bribing suspect (now civilian) just walks away from the roleplay because they're not wanted anymore, it gets annoying, and I see it as a type of ruined roleplay.

[Klaus]

The majority of corrupt cops are freecops (I mean sure, there is aXXo, Marcus, etc in VCPD) but criminals won't bother bribing goodie-two-shoes cops. Also, I fail to see where "trolling" comes into this.

[Kessu]

Emm, well, that was rude... 

What I consider "rude" is when someone comes to accuse you of supporting rulebreaking because he does not like the way a single command works that has been in server for years. If he did it with a "positive" way, he would of course get a positive answer. Shitting someone in post gives you what I said.

On the actual topic:

If a player uses /c bribe to "walk out of rp" then he isn't doing it right or is in a hurry to leave. Tho' it would be better if criminal AND the bribed cop would roleplay their situation out, instead of just using the command. Sometimes it just won't happen and I see no reason to remove a command because of "how it can be used wrong" when it's actually just a opinion.

Also I have to agree with Klaus

The majority of corrupt cops are freecops (I mean sure, there is aXXo, Marcus, etc in VCPD) but criminals won't bother bribing goodie-two-shoes cops. Also, I fail to see where "trolling" comes into this.

[ferrari32]

The only time I've seen the bribe command in action was when I was freecopping and came across hanney. He said ''U gud cop?'' and offered bribe. I said I gud took the bribe and went home merrily.

[JDC]

1. If Klaus says that using the bribe command on one cop to escape from the custody of another cop is okay, then using fly-hacks to RP a flying demigod is okay too. After all, both are nothing but breaches of the server rules, and any administration members who REFUSE to uphold those rules are traitors and should be removed from the team.

2. I would like to commend Kessu's recent actions, adding more details to the portrayal of server administration... namely, telling others to fuck off. And to think you were one of those special mentions by Aragorn on the warning topic that nearly closed VC:MP not too long ago. Congratulations!

3. In regards to Abraham's post, the server rules are the server rules and there is no one who can discount or alter them except the Owners. If Klaus justifies script abuse, that does not mean it is okay. If upholding those rules is bullshit, then you can say I'm full of shit.

4. Rules define that escape after surrender is not allowed and I definitely do not see any exceptions specifying you can use scripts to do so.

[~Legend~]

I think people may just be seeing the two extents of things.

It may not necessarily be the script that's the problem, but the people - how they, how we use it.

Hopefully the criminal would think to continue roleplaying, as it's a roleplay server and all.

If you find roleplay a chore, or if it's not really "up there" for you, then maybe this isn't quite the server you were looking for.
Often it's easy to distinguish between the two groups.

If there are large concerns towards the script, rather than create/re-create rules we could always (if feasible) think about adding just little controls like you can't be above a certain heat - though then /c bribe would seem almost without any benefits for highly wanted criminals, but then again it's harder to make their cimes disappear - or make it so it can't be done with 3/4 + cops nearby; can't just walk away after being in a major chase or terrorist attack where the police had you in their vision.

Linked to the above example, you could argue that (the other) cops have all the right to re-suspect someone. As the whole thing is illegal, a top-class corrupt (or just a very smooth officer who wants an early bonus; or someone just playing with the criminal/working cleverly) could just suspect the person again after accepting the bribe, in the name of roleplay?

[Gandalf]

I have to agree with JDC here. Perhaps on a relatively small server this is not a problem, but the working of the bribe command invites people to abuse it.
Example: two players are as criminals, one gest suspected and surrenders. His friend goes on cop duty and bribes him to be free, they continue their rampage.
Remember that we are to remain within the realm of roleplay, and a cop bribing a suspect who is held by a colleague in plain sight is not within this realm.