Robbing is Forcing RP?

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

So today I wanted to have a little roleplay and rob a fireman for some of his pocket money.
When he refused, I shot him to death, and I got kicked for Forcing RP and deathmatching.

As far as I know, deathmatching is killing someone without a proper RP reason, and I am pretty sure that I had a reason.
As for the part "forcing RP", I recall one of the owners stating that you may not evade a roleplay, and that you should be roleplaying when someone is interacting with you.

So can someone clear this up? Who is right?

[oshri1094]

If the admin punished you because of the reason you stated, he is wrong. It would be forcing roleplay if he give you all the money he had in himself. Unfortunately, vast amount of Argonath RPG have no idea what is forcing roleplay.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

If the admin punished you because of the reason you stated, he is wrong. It would be forcing roleplay if he give you all the money he had in himself. Unfortunately, vast amount of Argonath RPG have no idea what is forcing roleplay.

That's what I thought.

[ChasKa]

If robbing is forcing roleplay,is police traffic check also forcing roleplay?
If player failure to comply with robbers and being shot down is DM,is player failure to comply with cops and being shot down is DM?
Oh,what a irony.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

If robbing is forcing roleplay,is police traffic check also forcing roleplay?
If player failure to comply with robbers and being shot down is DM,is player failure to comply with cops and being shot down is DM?

It's even more outrageous what I got told:

[17:28:49] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): Oh by the way, returning to a few mins ago
[17:28:59] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): So robbing someone is now forcing RP?
[17:29:12] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): When the person tells you that he does not wish to roleplay with him
[17:29:18] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): He simply informs you he does not want to
[17:29:28] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): You should accept that, and let him go, you cant force people into
[17:29:29] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): something they dont want to

*[17:29:28] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): Oh so if people get armor etc and want to kidnap me
[17:29:30] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): cuz i ambushed them earlier
[17:29:34] PM to Gregersen_Corleone(13): i can say i dont wanna rp?
[17:29:45] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(13): Yes - but then you should not even consider RP'ing with anyone else

[ElMartu]

Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

This needs to be set straight then, because

[17:07:48] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(103): Just discussed with fellow administrators
[17:07:53] PM from Gregersen_Corleone(103): And I am correct.

[oshri1094]

I can not wait to see what Gandalf thinks on this issue.

[Teddy]

Yeah, apparently you're allowed to refuse to roleplay in a roleplay server.

RPG, meaning Roleplaying Game; in short you can RP when you want.

Also, to support many of those who do not wish to RP robberies, the reason is mostly cause you run up to them with a combat, they give money, your not happy cause they only gave you $500 so you kill them. This is the case 80% of the time from what I've seen.

In support of robbers; its a good way to make money, and creates a sense of fear of walking around on the streets with almost 1m in hand

But, to the point no you can not force someone to RP a robbery. And if they tell you no, and you kill them; thats DM

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

RPG, meaning Roleplaying Game; in short you can RP when you want.

I recall one of the owners stating that you may not evade a roleplay, and that you should be roleplaying when someone is interacting with you.

Also, to support many of those who do not wish to RP robberies, the reason is mostly cause you run up to them with a combat, they give money, your not happy cause they only gave you $500 so you kill them. This is the case 80% of the time from what I've seen.

Does one case represent all criminals?
No. Even if he would give me $2, I would get out of there because I don't want to be wanted by the police.

But, to the point no you can not force someone to RP a robbery. And if they tell you no, and you kill them; thats DM

You're wrong, it is only deathmatch if you don't have a reason.
The reason is still valid even though the person getting robbed does not agree, in this case he is evading the RP.

[murdoxix]

Oook... So if any cop want pullover me for:

• Speed
• Reckless driving
• Ramming
• Etc

I can refuse because 'i don't want role, no?

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Oook... So if any cop want pullover me for:

• Speed
• Reckless driving
• Ramming
• Etc

I can refuse because 'i don't want role, no?

That's what Gregersen says.

[ElMartu]

No tedd we're talking about FORCING ROLEPLAY, it's not about the money at all. You're in your right to punish the players that do what you described. But if people are like "FUCK OFF I DONT WANT TO RP", then that's just low. It's as easy as to give them a small amount of money (as low as 10 to 15 bucks), or put a little effort and actually pretend you don't have cash. There is no excuse to avoid a roleplay situation.

You're wrong, it is only deathmatch if you don't have a reason.
The reason is still valid even though the person getting robbed does not agree, in this case he is evading the RP.

I'm on your side but killing people if they actually cared enough to roleplay with you is something I wouldn't advise. And if they pull out the 'force RP' card, then there wasn't any roleplay to begin with - that technically makes you a rulebreaker.

That's what Gregersen says.

Haha that's true, but let's wait for his response. I've got a feeling he (or any other admin) won't agree.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

f**k OFF I DONT WANT TO RP"

Exactly what happened.

There is no excuse to avoid a roleplay situation.

I'm on your side but killing people if they actually cared enough to roleplay with you is something I wouldn't advise. And if they pull out the 'force RP' card, then there wasn't any roleplay to begin with - that technically makes you a rulebreaker.

I wanted to make a point and show him you can't evade a roleplay situation.

Haha that's true, but let's wait for his response. I've got a feeling he (or any other admin) won't agree.

Let's see.

[Ted]

Since this is a repeat of the other topics read this http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220

This is something which does cause confusion for some but hopefully Gandalf's post(above link) will clear it.