Robbing is Forcing RP?

[JDC]

Great generalizing and analysis of each persons views and opinions - was it even really needed to say that other than to cover your own backside if someone responded to your post? But yea there is always general thoughts.

I hardly go through such topics anymore because of posts like yours, which have no other apparent purpose than criticizing the posts and complaining about the current state of the server while doing little (or nothing) to change it while hiding your justification for the situation's shortcomings behind what appears to be defensive agenda, instead of conveying a meaningful message.

An example is your implied complaint about fire missions and roleplay, apparently you are not doing anything to solve that situation other than complaining.

And before you ask, I do lead by example and do what I post.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

If you walk up to someone and kill them when they do not pay the money you ask, you sure as f**k are not roleplaying; you are deathmatching for money, which is an entirely different thing from roleplaying.

You are very wrong here, I am not deathmatching for money.
If you would even bother to read the posts in this topic you would notice that I said that even $2 would be enough.
So this shows that I was not robbing him purely for money, I was trying to stimulate a roleplay.
Also there is no such term as "Deathmatching for money." Deathmatching is deathmatching, period. The definition of deathmatching is killing somebody without a proper roleplay reason. If it really was about money, let it be, it was properly roleplayed and therefor not deathmatching.

Guy does not want you to pay up? Why don't you blackmail him (RP-wise) or make him suffer in one way or another?

You can only blackmail if you have anything to use against him, also I don't think that he is in the mood to roleplay a blackmailing looking at "/em fuck off i don't want to RP."

Guy really does not want to RP a robbery? Why not use your imagination to turn the RP into something else then? An example would be making him the target of an RP mafia harassment if you play a mafioso.

I would, but that's hard as hell when you get wrongly kicked by administration for something they don't even investigate.

Many of these problems can be solved through improvising. Improvising requires imagination, and the problem is that people have become far too generic in their styles instead of using their imagination, meaning they lose the ability to improvise.

Read above.

Initiate, Imagine, and Improvise. Three abilities every creative roleplayer must have; no RP is going to happen if someone does not start it.

Conclusion? Get off your ass, stop complaining, and start roleplaying. You will be surprised at what you can find.

I fail to see how a robbery is not a roleplay.
Any interaction between 2 players is roleplaying.


Also this basically sums it all up:

[EliteTerm]

You are very wrong here, I am not deathmatching for money.
If you would even bother to read the posts in this topic you would notice that I said that even $2 would be enough.
So this shows that I was not robbing him purely for money, I was trying to stimulate a roleplay.
Also there is no such term as "Deathmatching for money." Deathmatching is deathmatching, period. The definition of deathmatching is killing somebody without a proper roleplay reason. If it really was about money, let it be, it was properly roleplayed and therefor not deathmatching.

You kill them because they don't give you $2?

Nice.

[Marcell]

How I always understood it:

/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: i do not wish to roleplay, sorry
/kills him

thats forcing to rp

/pulls out combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: fuck off im not giving u anything
/drops his hp, still doesnt give you shit, you kill him

not a rulebreak

/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman runs away
/kills him

not rulebreak

/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman gives you 50$
/you kill him since you say it isnt enough

realise you're a lamer and its cause of people like you people dont tend to roleplay whilst getting robbed


'cant force to rp' can bite you in the ass many times, ESPECIALLY when gang wars are provoked - a smaller gang fucks with another, yet while it comes to war they're like 'lol dm u cant force us to rp', or when you kidnap someone and its all fine until you want his cash 'lol u cant force me to rp', or when a cop pulls you over (not since you broke any laws, regular 'pull-over inspection' lol) and if you say you dont want to rp you get sused for evading...

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

You kill them because they don't give you $2?

Nice.

Not sure if trying to troll or just unintelligent.

fireman: i do not wish to roleplay, sorry

[Que]

Seems like many of you really have misunderstood the point with what's forced role-play and what's not.

[EliteTerm]

Not sure if trying to troll or just unintelligent.

Neither.

Give me a perfectly good reason why you shot that person to death because he refused to give you money? Doing that will have cops on you for murder charges and you lose money that way if caught or killed, unless you manage to escape. That's just a waste of time if you're 'roleplaying' a hobo for money.

Any more comments?

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

Give me a perfectly good reason why you shot that person to death because he refused to give you money?

In the roleplay where the attacker demands money, there are certain scripts.
Person getting robbed hands money over, and that's the robbery that was roleplayed.
Person getting robbed refuses to hand the money over? He gets killed for not following orders.
What do you expect him to say? "Oh alright, have a nice day."?

It is the same script as when a criminal is asked to surrender, if he refuses he gets shot to death.

[Ted]

Neither.

Give me a perfectly good reason why you shot that person to death because he refused to give you money? Doing that will have cops on you for murder charges and you lose money that way if caught or killed, unless you manage to escape. That's just a waste of time if you're 'roleplaying' a hobo for money.

Any more comments?

Yes but an off topic one

No one knows how to roleplay like a hobo except for those who played as Alfred Charles. Alfred didn't need a bun to earn himself some money.

[EliteTerm]

In the roleplay where the attacker demands money, there are certain scripts.
Person getting robbed hands money over, and that's the robbery that was roleplayed.
Person getting robbed refuses to hand the money over? He gets killed for not following orders.
What do you expect him to say? "Oh alright, have a nice day."?

It is the same script as when a criminal is asked to surrender, if he refuses he gets shot to death.

So, judging from your style of roleplay.. if I were to go around as a hobo, I should kill each person that refuses to give $2? (Hey, that's your example), because it's the same sense of 'script' that cop demands criminals to surrender or he be killed?

What the f**k happened to common sense? A decent roleplayer knows and plan it that if he were to make money as a hobo, he would go ask around and kindly ask for money to support their 32 kids, a crippled blind dog, and an alligator, and to pay off his debt for blowing all of his life savings on a person who claims skampoos are the world's greatest item that gives you level ups. If the person says no, move on and find another and repeat with a different story like your pet rock got ran over by a car and you need money for hospital bills.

Killing people is just asking for attention, whether it be admins or an army of donuts hungry cops.


Let me sum this up in a most simple format that many will understand.

1. Wear shitty clothes
2. Kindly ask for some money over some bs story
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!

If this doesn't get the message across, well shit I'd better sell my soul to Sauron and wear my birthday suit with a sign, and start preaching that the end is nigh.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

So you're saying a mafioso is a tramp begging for money?
Do you understand the term "robbery"?

[Ted]

So you're saying a mafioso is a tramp begging for money?

?

Anyway a mafioso wouldn't go robbing people of small change on open streets. They would go for the big money makers and do so with many other mafioso's as back up.

[Matt Murdock]

Among all the posts here, this is the one making the most sense :

How I always understood it:

/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: i do not wish to roleplay, sorry
/kills him

thats forcing to rp

/pulls out combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman: f**k off im not giving u anything
/drops his hp, still doesnt give you shit, you kill him

not a rulebreak

/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman runs away
/kills him

not rulebreak

/pulls out a combat on fireman
/s gimme ur money fool
fireman gives you 50$
/you kill him since you say it isnt enough

realise you're a lamer and its cause of people like you people dont tend to roleplay whilst getting robbed


'cant force to rp' can bite you in the ass many times, ESPECIALLY when gang wars are provoked - a smaller gang f**ks with another, yet while it comes to war they're like 'lol dm u cant force us to rp', or when you kidnap someone and its all fine until you want his cash 'lol u cant force me to rp', or when a cop pulls you over (not since you broke any laws, regular 'pull-over inspection' lol) and if you say you dont want to rp you get sused for evading...

[JDC]

If you would even bother to read the posts in this topic you would notice that I said that even $2 would be enough.

No matter how much you try to rationalize it, common sense still dictates that killing someone because they did not give you $2 is outright ridiculous. If you go to the USA and point knives at people while threatening to kill them because they did not give you $2, try and count the amount of people who will just laugh.

Also there is no such term as "Deathmatching for money." Deathmatching is deathmatching, period. The definition of deathmatching is killing somebody without a proper roleplay reason. If it really was about money, let it be, it was properly roleplayed and therefor not deathmatching.

Deathmatching is still deathmatching, even though there can be a million reasons for it. Money is just one of them.

You can only blackmail if you have anything to use against him, also I don't think that he is in the mood to roleplay a blackmailing

This is where improvising comes in. If you actually had that ability, you would be able to change a failed robbery roleplay into a successful different type of roleplay. If you still do not understand this statement, then I can just assume you do not have it.

I would, but that's hard as hell when you get wrongly kicked by administration for something they don't even investigate.

You are in no position to decide how we work, or to b*tch about our work simply we do not attend to reports that are made because of the smallest fart on the server. If 3 people are getting abused and deathmatched by rogue cops at once while 2 hackers are flying around the server like characters from a Marvel comic strip, then expect us to prioritize those cases over a report made because someone farted or did not want to RP with you.

Much of our time is spent investigating, and the team certainly deserves more thanks than useless complaints made by thankless rogues such as you (especially Managers and above who spend hours on log checks because someone moaned about getting flamed or scammed), simply because we do not take the time out to change your diapers.

If you want attention from someone who will never leave your side, buy a dog.

Any interaction between 2 players is roleplaying.

Alright. So I join the server, see a random guy, and scream at him "Hey you! Fuck your mom!"... by your logic, I am roleplaying with him.

[Pandalink]

If you go to the USA and point knives at people while threatening to kill them because they did not give you $2, try and count the amount of people who will just laugh

and then get stabbed and die bleeding in the street.

Deathmatching is still deathmatching, even though there can be a million reasons for it.

Deathmatching is killing without a reason, so this statement is inherently untrue.