Robbing is Forcing RP?

[Marcell]

I don't want to start the cop vs criminal war again, but it's funny how you guys keep being on the 'killing for not complying being bad' topic, yet cops tend to suspect people for trespassing and killing them rather quickly if they don't comply, even if they're unarmed...

[ChasKa]

So, judging from your style of roleplay.. if I were to go around as a hobo, I should kill each person that refuses to give $2? (Hey, that's your example), because it's the same sense of 'script' that cop demands criminals to surrender or he be killed?

If it is through a roleplay,that is not a problem and do not rule break at all but well not a "reality" roleplay but wait argonath do not punish people for roleplay that are not so reality..right?

What the f**k happened to common sense? A decent roleplayer knows and plan it that if he were to make money as a hobo, he would go ask around and kindly ask for money to support their 32 kids, a crippled blind dog, and an alligator, and to pay off his debt for blowing all of his life savings on a person who claims skampoos are the world's greatest item that gives you level ups. If the person says no, move on and find another and repeat with a different story like your pet rock got ran over by a car and you need money for hospital bills.

Again,argonath do have new players who are not decent roleplayer and still learning to roleplay.
There're fraud/fault in the roleplay-sometimes not following common sense...but as long as you do not rule-breaking...I can still do my own roleplay,regardless of you like it or not.
BTW,nice example you illustrate out there.

Killing people is just asking for attention, whether it be admins or an army of donuts hungry cops.

I kill lots of people at my playtime,but never be warned for cophunter....u hv problem about me?

Let me sum this up in a most simple format that many will understand.

1. Wear shitty clothes
2. Kindly ask for some money over some bs story
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!

1. Wear blue clothes
2. Kindly ask for some surrender
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!

If this doesn't get the message across, well shit I'd better sell my soul to Sauron and wear my birthday suit with a sign, and start preaching that the end is nigh.

Hope you can do it in a unbiased manner.

[Jubin]

Technically speaking,the reason for the kill is "Failure to comply.Not the issue about "Amount of money".
You may say the robber are crazy and do not follow human common sense but he do not rule-break in all sense
He is not rulebreaking-he do have a reason simply "failure to comply after several warning".
Is killing a person who don't want to be killed mean deathmatching?What is Dming?

Killing a person who is not part of the roleplay is deathmatching and that's exactly what the original scenario had. When you want to rob me (offering a roleplay scenario) and I decline then simply killing me would be deathmatching.

You think that failure to pay$2 and die is ridulous,I think that failure to comply with cop and being kill is riduculous too.
It's about your point of value.

The author action is lack of mercy is harsh and not recommended but meantime,he doesn't break any rules.

So keeping my earlier train of thought in mind, yes, he is breaking the rules.

Post Merge: April 25, 2012, 08:03:47 pmSo is shooting a person because I am a police and see a hobo pissing in the public is a real reason in your eyes?

Pissing in public is a crime of which you can get suspected and failing to comply as a suspect can get you shot.

[Axison]

Huge Big Conversation!!!..

[fdgod0204]

Huge Big Conversation!!!..

True :l.
And Forcing RP is rulebreaking

[[NP]Monte Montague]

I hardly go through such topics anymore because of posts like yours, which have no other apparent purpose than criticizing the posts and complaining about the current state of the server while doing little (or nothing) to change it while hiding your justification for the situation's shortcomings behind what appears to be defensive agenda, instead of conveying a meaningful message.

An example is your implied complaint about fire missions and roleplay, apparently you are not doing anything to solve that situation other than complaining.

And before you ask, I do lead by example and do what I post.

Sorry to see that you have misunderstood the point of my critical analysis, you may have your reasons, however realize I was against your statements so it is pretty obvious I will put your flaws and persuasive elements into my response so others can realize my belief in the matter - not that you make errors but that I don't believe it to be true.

I'd just like to remind everyone of this years UK National Holocaust Memorial Day main point "Speak up, Speak Out" - and this message works in many scenarios..., not calling you a Nazi but this is a public forum, if you want to be so fundamentalist I can't physically stop you, but any sort of propaganda I come across (of which I don't agree with  ) and it's in a general discussion thread / post I will surely look to give my opinions and views on it.

If you lead by example, why have you not suggested a way in which I can deal with the fire mission issue (as an ordinary player) to help resolve the concern. For a community where you come to have pretty much mostly an overdose of  Vitamin FUN you really don't want to see people ruining it and not respecting others so you will try to voice your opinions, concerns if that's complaining so be it, but do you see me saying it 24/7 in server - out of role play or irrelevant to conversations, by that theory each (/)report is a complaint - is it not?

If you don't want to continue this conversation ok.

[ChasKa]

Killing a person who is not part of the roleplay is deathmatching and that's exactly what the original scenario had. When you want to rob me (offering a roleplay scenario) and I decline then simply killing me would be deathmatching.So keeping my earlier train of thought in mind, yes, he is breaking the rules.

Ok.roleplay involvement.
However,when it come to a civilian who do not want to roleplay with "Cops"
they're seen as badass which they cannot "escape" even you're 1000times reluctant...
Are we meant to obliged to roleplay with cops but can refuse to roleplay with "robbers" or even citizen..are there double standard in the server?

Pissing in public is a crime of which you can get suspected and failing to comply as a suspect can get you shot.

Yes...but the crime of itself should not be death penalty.
The amount $2 is not a big issue,but failure to "follow" the thieves order after being "warned" :"paid or died", he can shot u.

[Mikal]

I know theres the 'no forcing RP' rule but IMO it's bullshit, many people play the server and do not roleplay, why play a roleplay based server if you do not wish to roleplay?  :poke:

[Ted]

I feel i should clear it up again.

'No forcing RP' doesn't mean you can't force people to roleplay. What it does mean is you cannot force your methods or how the roleplay should go on others.... http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220

Thus i have now led us back onto the topic instead of shit about cops and crooks.

[Ratko Gavrilovic]

I feel i should clear it up again.

'No forcing RP' doesn't mean you can't force people to roleplay. What it does mean is you cannot force your methods or how the roleplay should go on others.... http://www.argonathrpg.eu/forum/index.php?topic=57123.msg815220#msg815220

Thus i have now led us back onto the topic instead of shit about cops and crooks.

This. Forcing RP is a way of "powergaming" how some like to call it.
You can not refuse to roleplay, you can start a roleplay, there is no such thing as "robbing when player doesn't want to RP is rulebreak."

[Jubin]

Ok.roleplay involvement.
However,when it come to a civilian who do not want to roleplay with "Cops"
they're seen as badass which they cannot "escape" even you're 1000times reluctant...
Are we meant to obliged to roleplay with cops but can refuse to roleplay with "robbers" or even citizen..are there double standard in the server?Yes...but the crime of itself should not be death penalty.
The amount $2 is not a big issue,but failure to "follow" the thieves order after being "warned" :"paid or died", he can shot u.

You can also refuse to roleplay with cops as long as you don't break any rules when it comes to public decency (urinating in public) or traffic violations or anything else that can get you suspected in the server for that matter.

Also Chaska the reason "pay or die" is as good as "Look to the right or I kill you", "I am mentally disturbed by your skin, leave now or I kill you" "You have a green car, I don't like it, I kill you now if you don't leave".

This is not about the players definition of "forced roleplay" its argument about if you can involve other players in your freaking roleplay by unilateral decision! I say no.

[ChasKa]

You can also refuse to roleplay with cops as long as you don't break any rules when it comes to public decency (urinating in public) or traffic violations or anything else that can get you suspected in the server for that matter.

Incorrect,lots of time,there're a "traffic check" that all citizen's car that passing has to be involved...if you do not stop and reffuse to have a roleplay a car check....you can be suspected for "trepassing" or refusing orders.
Not to mention a cop pull you over and ask you "do you see "criminal name" driving pass..if you do not stop..will get you a suspection.

Both are the case that we cannot escape from roleplay even we're "clean cictizen".

Also Chaska the reason "pay or die" is as good as "Look to the right or I kill you", "I am mentally disturbed by your skin, leave now or I kill you" "You have a green car, I don't like it, I kill you now if you don't leave".

Please,common sense...what a robber do when you refuse to pay him when you're surrounded in a dark corner by 3 robbers?
Says:" ok sir...sorry about disturbing you..you can go now?"
If you get only few punches,you have to thanks god.
Dead can be foreseen also if you trigger or make robbers disappointed,just go around and search yahoo news,see how many people are killed in the street by robbers please.
So,your "I hate green car and I kill every driver who drive green car" are not comparable to the example authors illustration and
distortion concept.

This is not about the players definition of "forced roleplay" its argument about if you can involve other players in your freaking roleplay by unilateral decision! I say no.

However,rules is rules.

[Jubin]

Incorrect,lots of time,there're a "traffic check" that all citizen's car that passing has to be involved...if you do not stop and reffuse to have a roleplay a car check....you can be suspected for "trepassing" or refusing orders.
Not to mention a cop pull you over and ask you "do you see "criminal name" driving pass..if you do not stop..will get you a suspection.
Both are the case that we cannot escape from roleplay even we're "clean cictizen"

First situation is valid police work and if you do ignore these it is as good as ignoring regular traffic rules want to avoid it? Take a different path.second one is not valid and can be taken to an admin/court etc. Just because you're part of NBA, Corleone, Ancelotti, Araatus, Gvardia etc is not valid point to pull anyone over.

Please,common sense...what a robber do when you refuse to pay him when you're surrounded in a dark corner by 3 robbers?
Says:" ok sir...sorry about disturbing you..you can go now?"
If you get only few punches,you have to thanks god.
Dead can be foreseen also if you trigger or make robbers disappointed,just go around and search yahoo news,see how many people are killed in the street by robbers please.
So,your "I hate green car and I kill every driver who drive green car" are not comparable to the example authors illustration and
distortion concept.
However,rules is rules.

That would be the case if we are both in the roleplaying situation but we are not. Quite frankly if anyone wants to roleplay robberies that way I'd reccomend SinglePlayer mode there you can come up any roleplay scenario you want and everyone is involved no questions asked but when it comes to multiplayer people have a choice whether to take part of your scenario or not.

[saberman]

1. Wear blue clothes
2. Kindly ask for some surrender
3. If refused, move on
4. ????
5. Profit!

No. The person you're asking to surrender is a suspect, that means he's already role-playing and cannot just back out. So yes, your example is invalid. (read previous pages too)

[JDC]

No. The person you're asking to surrender is a suspect, that means he's already role-playing and cannot just back out. So yes, your example is invalid. (read previous pages too)

They engaged in RP with the law enforcement the moment they decided to commit a crime, so anything cops do to suspects cannot be called as "forcing RP" anymore.