President Obama supports gay / same-sex marriage

[Jubin]

Again, you are comparing something to what a person is and chooses to be (homosexuality) versus to what a person is (race).

Like said before, you can't choose your sexuality. Either you feel sexual desire toward your own sex or opposite sex ( or both). There is no " January to June - straight. July to December - gay"

[Aksel]

Since, i see that many here support gays, answer me to this question:

What is "normal" and "OK" in 2 males kissing each other, holding hands, placing dicks up each others asses? I dont wanna go off or something too much, and transfer to religion but, did God create Adam and Eve, or Adam and Steve?

You happen to use arguments that were made a 100 years ago.

[Patton]

Interesting...

But, still, those are living creatures, and every living creature can have brain defect. But, still, physics does not approve it. Therefore, it is unnatural. I told you about the magnets. By that we have a conclusion that living creatures can be born with defects, wich can cause this kind of gay behavioure.


As for jubin:
Americans, along with Spain and Britain were racist. Only racists. Diffrent race is not something unnatural. Gay marriage is something unnatural. Deal with it. (physics proves it).

Magnets work because the particles that magnets are comprised of have spin, not because the poles are supposed to be "husband and wife" as you claim. Your example is as loose as your theory, bro.

[Nathan]

Like said before, you can't choose your sexuality. Either you feel sexual desire toward your own sex or opposite sex ( or both). There is no " January to June - straight. July to December - gay"

You choose what you have desire to. Three main studies are cited by "gay rights" activists in support of their argument: Hamer's X-chromosome research, LeVay's study of the hypothalamus, and Bailey and Pillard's study of identical twins who were homosexuals.

In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves. More importantly, their studies did not stand up to scientific scrutiny by other researchers. Also, "the media typically do not explain the methodological flaws in these studies, and they typically oversimplify the results". There is no reliable evidence to date that homosexual behavior is determined by a person's genes.

To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person's bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it. Some people have a strong bent towards stealing or abuse of alcohol, but they still choose to engage or not engage in this behavior the law rightly holds them accountable.
The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

Andrew Lansdown points out that 'homosexual activity is notoriously disease-prone. In addition to diseases associated with heterosexual promiscuity, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi's Sarcoma and AIDS.' Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men.

Isn't it a bit obvious that if it's not meant to be naturally?

[Squeak]

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships.

Humans were not built to marry and have monogamous relationships for the better part of their life. In nature, it is the male's job to spread his genes as much as possible, marriage is a human invention and goes against nature. Clearly.

Andrew Lansdown points out that 'h, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi's Sarcoma and AIDS.'

Who is Andrew Lansdown and why should I give a f**k what he says? "Andrew Lansdown points out that 'h, homosexual actions facilitate the transmission of anal herpes, hepatitis B, intestinal parasites, Kaposi's Sarcoma and AIDS."?

Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men.

Source? "Research on the life expectancy of a group of homosexual men in Canada in the early 1990s indicated that they could expect 8-21 years less lifespan than other men."

To the extent that biological or social factors may contribute to a person's bent toward homosexual behavior, this does not excuse it.

What biological factors? You're saying that there is no proof that homosexuality occurs naturally and is a choice and then contradict yourself. Oh wait, you don't make up your own arguments. "In all three cases, the researchers had a vested interest in obtaining a certain outcome because they were homosexuals themselves"


Are religious people all taught to spout the same idiotic drivel when put in a debate regarding homosexuality? Maybe you all just go to the same church. Hold up, found the link to Nathan's arguments http://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c040.html.

[Nathan]

Are all religious people taught to spout the same mindless, baseless and idiotic drivel? Maybe you all just go to the same church.

And this is the exact reason why we cannot have Politics and Religion section on the forums, because of people like you. I guess it's the fact that you suffer from Superiority complex that makes you attack religious people because you feel the fact that because it goes against your pleasure means that it is wrong.
The only reason I just copy-pasta is simply due to the fact that I agree with ALL the parts on that response, thus my response isn't needed if the answer is given.

[Squeak]

And this is the exact reason why we cannot have Politics and Religion section on the forums, because of people like you. I guess it's the fact that you suffer from Superiority complex that makes you attack religious people because you feel the fact that because it goes against your pleasure means that it is wrong.

No, I attacked you because you're unable to form an argument yourself and are instead influenced by Christian propaganda. Why do you think I posted all those google links? The same arguments, word for word, are used by religious zealots across the internet.

[Leon.]

Since, i see that many here support gays, answer me to this question:

What is "normal" and "OK" in 2 males kissing each other, holding hands, placing dicks up each others asses? I dont wanna go off or something too much, and transfer to religion but, did God create Adam and Eve, or Adam and Steve?

Adam and Eve were never married, and if God made everyone didn't he also make Steve?

This isn't out of hand. One person has gone over the top with a reply, every single other person who has posted here has been critical and made constructive replies.

Agreed. Everyone here deserves a medal.

[Nathan]

No, I attacked you because you're unable to form an argument yourself and are instead influenced by Christian propaganda.

I formed the argument pretty successfully and you fail to see that. Due to my belief, I can say that I am influenced by Christian media and because it is true. We had a pretty successful discussion without even going into the religious sphere, and you sadly do not see that because being part of the opposition is apparently the cool thing to do these days. Take off your rosy sunglasses and look at it the way it is made to be looked at.

Man is made for woman, woman is made for man. Together, they complete each other.

[Gandalf]

There is clear evidence of homosexual behaviour among animals. Our closest primate relatives, the bonobo-apes use sex to solve conflicts, and do not discriminate between homosexual or heterosexual sex.
Other examples have been described by scientists, who were not homosexual.

For instance the non-alpha wolves will often show homsexual behaviour.
As the anatomy of all mammals is similar, bringing it down to a brain defect is a pretty low thing, you might want to study the subject better unless you have fear of 'becoming ill'.

It does not matter if you are religious or not, as Jesus has sanctioned a bond for life between two of his disciples.

[Nathan]

It does not matter if you are religious or not, as Jesus has sanctioned a bond for life between two of his disciples.

There is a thing called friendship. If my homies and I bond for the rest of our lives, that only shows our true friendship, not a homosexual relationship.

[Gandalf]

There is a thing called friendship. If my homies and I bond for the rest of our lives, that only shows our true friendship, not a homosexual relationship.

Why would it be mentioned explicitly as a bond between tow men, where all disciples were homies ?
This was a clear homosexual relationship, which was at the time not unusual.
Only later the Vatican decided on making it exclusive between men and women.

[Nathan]

Why would it be mentioned explicitly as a bond between tow men, where all disciples were homies ?

There is a level of friendship. There is best friend, and just friends.

This was a clear homosexual relationship, which was at the time not unusual.

If it was clear and right (now basing of Biblical views), then Paul (in the New Testament) and Moses (in the Old Testament) would write it to be acceptable, but instead, both say it is unnatural and is not accepted.

I tried to steer away from using religion as an argument but since this subject is used, I will be answering.

[Gandalf]

There is a level of friendship. There is best friend, and just friends.
If it was clear and right (now basing of Biblical views), then Paul (in the New Testament) and Moses (in the Old Testament) would write it to be acceptable, but instead, both say it is unnatural and is not accepted.

I tried to steer away from using religion as an argument but since this subject is used, I will be answering.

Do you deny the words of Jesus and call yourself religious ?

[Nathan]

Do you deny the words of Jesus and call yourself religious ?

Show me exactly the words that say He had homosexual relations with disciples.