President Obama supports gay / same-sex marriage

[Mikal]

And I thought religious discussions were against forum rules.

[Radagast]

Mikal we're doing nicely without your input; thanks.

[JDC]

Can you name 5 Catholic zealots who contributed to the human race in any way?

There's probably at least 5 Renaissance popes who are responsible for patronizing the great painters / artists and making them remembered until today, Julius II for example. What we know as the great classical arts were propagated by Scumbags and Saints. :rules:

Don't get me wrong, I don't have much love for the Curia either.

[Radagast]

Don't get me wrong, I don't have much love for the Curia either.

Says a bishop of the Curia.... :roll:   

[Oliver]

There's probably at least 5 Renaissance popes who are responsible for patronizing the great painters / artists and making them remembered until today, Julius II for example. What we know as the great classical arts were propagated by Scumbags and Saints. :rules:

Don't get me wrong, I don't have much love for the Curia either.

Notice how I underlined the word zealots, as in people who do nothing but quote the bible and dismiss others as heretics all day every day.
Plenty of popes have been open minded, there have even been homosexual popes.

[JDC]

Notice how I underlined the word zealots, as in people who do nothing but quote the bible and dismiss others as heretics all day every day.
Plenty of popes have been open minded, there have even been homosexual popes.

Do Saints / Theological Fathers / <insert term for religious people who defined custom> count?

[Pandalink]

Alek, please do not ignore science when you see it:

Fair enough, but also you should remember that if you pour oil into a cup of water, the oil will stay together with the rest of the oil, and will not intermingle with the water. Therefore, homosexuality is natural, because science.

[Oliver]

Do Saints / Theological Fathers / <insert term for religious people who defined custom> count?

No saints. Rest are fair game.

[SafetyMoose]

There is a question i should have asked you long time ago:
What the use of gays in human society? Can you name atleast 5 gays that actually contributed to human race in any kind of way? (Dont start to BOMBARD me with comments "and what did you do". My answer to them is: Hey, am too young to do anything. Well see when i get older.)

> Implying being gay means you contribute any less then any other person. If your talking about "Hur dur gay people can't have children so they dont contribute to society hur" then you forget that in this day and age, many straight couples dont even have kids and in fact prefer not to because modern society,(atleast in the west) has promoted this dual income partnership where both the man and women work and make large sums of money they want to spend on themselves instead of kids. You also forget that many gay people either adopt children or have a surrogate mother to give birth to a child that is genetically their own.

TLDR: What you put your dick inside of does not change what you do with your life, your point is invalid. Next.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

The Great Schism hadn't happened back then, so it was all one single church. The orthodox are as much to blame as the catholics for ruining the glorious Roman empire.

Freddie Mercury (one of the greatest singers of our time), Stephen Fry (an excellent entertainer), Alan Turing (scientist, contributed to computer science), Oscar Wilde (a great writer), J Edgar Hoover (the director of the FBI)

Can you name 5 Catholic zealots who contributed to the human race in any way?

Wooow, a GREAT contribute to human society!.............NO! (i have some toughts and facts about catholics that are just not sutable for this topic in any way, and i dont support them at all. Ill post it if we get a politics and religion topic some day. All amma say is that am orthodox, and i have my own reasons)

WTF?! Comedian? Wooow, a great use.
Director of the FBI? Heck, he only used to USA, nothing more.
Oscar Wilde? Yes, he did contribute. Writers are extreamly useful.
Stephen Fry? Entertaining? Contributing? Those 2 just dont go togeather.
Alan Turing? Good for him, I support what he did. That guy surely contributed to human society ALL over the world.

So, in my eyes, only 2 out of them 5 are valid. That FBI dirrector J Edgar, only contributed to USA, so amma count him as a "half".

In human history there are many, many, many straight guy's that contributed individualy MORE to human society than ALL GAYS EVER ALIVE.

> Implying being gay means you contribute any less then any other person. If your talking about "Hur dur gay people can't have children so they dont contribute to society hur" then you forget that in this day and age, many straight couples dont even have kids and in fact prefer not to because modern society,(atleast in the west) has promoted this dual income partnership where both the man and women work and make large sums of money they want to spend on themselves instead of kids. You also forget that many gay people either adopt children or have a surrogate mother to give birth to a child that is genetically their own.

TLDR: What you put your dick inside of does not change what you do with your life, your point is invalid. Next.

Moose, GREAT amount of children adopted by gays, often BECOME gay's THEMSELVES. MANY gays, dont even have children by surrogate mother or anything else. So, THEY DO NOT contribute to humans, infact they are making WHITE PLEG spread faster. I bealive you did not take this into your calculation.

NEXT!

[Gandalf]

Nathan, I have been checking my sources and it seems I made some minor mistakes.

Regarding the words of Jesus, when talking about divorce he mentioned that the laws before Moses were much stricter, and that society can allow for change. Further he mentioned the fact that men can be born without normal sexuality.

The gay marriage I referred to was the icon of Sergius and Bacchius, an openly gay couple who were killed for being Christian. You will see icons where they are displayed wearing a clear marriage bond, with Jesus looking on in approval.

I am not gay, and for me the idea of two men having sex is as strange as it is for you from a personal point of view. That does not mean I can not accept that other people are different.
And because of my personal view, I have to accept that it is not a choice but something in nature that makes them have a different preference.
Morality has nothing to do with this. Homosexuals can have very high and strict morals, while religious people can be very low in theirs. Refusing to believe this based on faith is equal to living in Medieval times and believing the Earth is flat.

[SafetyMoose]

Wooow, a GREAT contribute to human society!.............NO! (i have some toughts and facts about catholics that are just not sutable for this topic in any way, and i dont support them at all. Ill post it if we get a politics and religion topic some day. All amma say is that am orthodox, and i have my own reasons)

WTF?! Comedian? Wooow, a great use.
Director of the FBI? Heck, he only used to USA, nothing more.
Oscar Wilde? Yes, he did contribute. Writers are extreamly useful.
Stephen Fry? Entertaining? Contributing? Those 2 just dont go togeather.
Alan Turing? Good for him, I support what he did. That guy surely contributed to human society ALL over the world.

So, in my eyes, only 2 out of them 5 are valid. That FBI dirrector J Edgar, only contributed to USA, so amma count him as a "half".

In human history there are many, many, many straight guy's that contributed individualy MORE to human society than ALL GAYS EVER ALIVE.

Moose, GREAT amount of children adopted by gays, often BECOME gay's THEMSELVES. MANY gays, dont even have children by surrogate mother or anything else. So, THEY DO NOT contribute to humans, infact they are making WHITE PLEG spread faster. I bealive you did not take this into your calculation.

NEXT!

You have not address the point of how many straight couples don't have children, so whats the difference? You also don't seem to have the capacity to understand that someones sexual preference does not change what they do with their life. Think before you respond to something and actually address the argument instead of just throwing around words.

[Dutchy]

Alek, you have been indoctrinated with homophobia.

[SafetyMoose]

Alek, you have been indoctrinated with homophobia.

I would like to see him come here and say these things instead of hiding in his enclosed little homophobic country.

[Patton]

Wooow, a GREAT contribute to human society!.............NO! (i have some toughts and facts about catholics that are just not sutable for this topic in any way, and i dont support them at all. Ill post it if we get a politics and religion topic some day. All amma say is that am orthodox, and i have my own reasons)

WTF?! Comedian? Wooow, a great use.
Director of the FBI? Heck, he only used to USA, nothing more.
Oscar Wilde? Yes, he did contribute. Writers are extreamly useful.
Stephen Fry? Entertaining? Contributing? Those 2 just dont go togeather.
Alan Turing? Good for him, I support what he did. That guy surely contributed to human society ALL over the world.

So, in my eyes, only 2 out of them 5 are valid. That FBI dirrector J Edgar, only contributed to USA, so amma count him as a "half".

In human history there are many, many, many straight guy's that contributed individualy MORE to human society than ALL GAYS EVER ALIVE.

Moose, GREAT amount of children adopted by gays, often BECOME gay's THEMSELVES. MANY gays, dont even have children by surrogate mother or anything else. So, THEY DO NOT contribute to humans, infact they are making WHITE PLEG spread faster. I bealive you did not take this into your calculation.

NEXT!

References to articles in relevant scientific journals that back these claims, please.