Discussion of WWII

[Oliver]

I doubt America wants to be seen as the country that pussys out when the country thats helping them defeat the Taliban asks for support.

They have a very powerful propaganda machine. They would disregard that treaty and make you seem like the bad guys.

[KhornateMonkey]

Not saying this just because I'm British and I want to defend my countrys name, but thats just wrong, the UK would have finished the job without any outside support, the UK may be a small country but it's defences are more than capable of keeping the enemy out.

nigga plz, If it wasn't for Russia and America, we wouldn't be so well off.

[ElMartu]

They have a very powerful propaganda machine. They would disregard that treaty and make you seem like the bad guys.

yeah this

[JDC]

nigga plz, If it wasn't for Russia and America, we wouldn't be so well off.

If the two countries you mentioned did not join the Allied cause in WWII, then we'd probably be seeing Hitler as our Great Founder or something similar today.

[JayL]

If Russia did not join the Allied cause in WWII, then we'd probably be seeing Hitler as our Great Founder or something similar today.

Fixed

[JDC]

Fixed

That works too.

Everyone knows the Brits were pretty much worn out by the time the Yanks and Russians joined in to finish Hitler, and I pretty much doubt Great Britain could take down the Axis Powers without assistance. Even in defense alone, people in the capital itself were in bomb shelters.

[ElMartu]

Yeah but similarly if Hitler wasn't around, we'd hail Stalin as our great founder

[Pandalink]

Stalin was worse than Hitler, so that would've been pretty bad.

Also, the Russians didn't as much "join in" as "fight back" through the masses of their country that they'd given up to the German advances.
If Hitler hadn't attacked Russia like an idiot then he probably would've won the war, USA or not.

Even in defense alone, people in the capital itself were in bomb shelters.

You state this as if it means anything. If I remember correctly, Dresden was basically annihilated by allied air forces, and bombing raids on German cities were as regular as German raids on us. Winning the Battle of Britain awarded us air superiority which halted any British invasion plans that Hitler may have had.

[JayL]

Stalin was worse than Hitler

[Oliver]

If Hitler hadn't attacked Russia like an idiot then he probably would've won the war, USA or not.

If he hadn't taken control of his army instead of letting his generals do their jobs like a complete idiot, Germany would've crushed Russia.
Guderian had a clear shot at taking Moscow and instead he was forced to turn south towards Kiev and was later relinquished from his command due to complaining about it.

Yes, he was. The only way he was "better" was that he killed people without looking at their race or religious beliefs.

[Mikal]

They have a very powerful propaganda machine. They would disregard that treaty and make you seem like the bad guys.

Oh please, the UK could do the same back to them if they even tried to do that.

nigga plz, If it wasn't for Russia and America, we wouldn't be so well off.

Why not? The UK had already done enough before America and Russia got involved and Britain was still operating like they were at the beginning.

[ElMartu]

Oh please, the UK could do the same back to them if they even tried to do that.

No you can't

Why not? The UK had already done enough before America and Russia got involved and Britain was still operating like they were at the beginning.

No you weren't

[Gandalf]

Yeah but similarly if Hitler wasn't around, we'd hail Stalin as our great founder

Stalin and Russia would never attack a country without being attacked first.
Even the part of Poland that was taken was disputed as Russian territory before the war.

As for Hitler almost taking Moscow, the Mongols took Moscow, Napoleon took Moscow. But nobody ever defeated Russia.

[Mikal]

No you can't
No you weren't

Of course I can't.
Do I look like I work for the government?

Stalin and Russia would never attack a country without being attacked first.
Even the part of Poland that was taken was disputed as Russian territory before the war.

As for Hitler almost taking Moscow, the Mongols took Moscow, Napoleon took Moscow. But nobody ever defeated Russia.

I doubt anyone ever could defeat Russia, they are so quiet and controlled and their military is just. :wow:

[Gandalf]

Oh please, the UK could do the same back to them if they even tried to do that.Why not? The UK had already done enough before America and Russia got involved and Britain was still operating like they were at the beginning.

The importance of the UK was that they did not give up. Because of that, Hitler had to fight at two fronts.
If the UK would have given up the fight, Hitler and Stalin would have divided Europe between them.