Discussion of WWII

[Dolfagr]

Hitler and Stalin would have divided Europe between them.

That's pretty much what Stalin and the Allies did afterwards, when Hitler was gone.

Stalin and Russia would never attack a country without being attacked first.
Even the part of Poland that was taken was disputed as Russian territory before the war.

As for Hitler almost taking Moscow, the Mongols took Moscow, Napoleon took Moscow. But nobody ever defeated Russia.

Russia's most important allie has always been the winter and cold, especially when Napoleon invaded.

[JDC]

Russia's most important allie has always been the winter and cold, especially when Napoleon invaded.

One does not simply challenge the Russian weather without being a Russian, do they now?

Had the United Kingdom given up or had the United States not entered the war, it will be a whole different story. Depending on which side of Europe you live in, you would be revering Hitler and Stalin as your Great Leader / Great Ally, and all the gulags and "cleansings" would be "hearsay stories told by some old folk".

[Oliver]

you would be revering Hitler and Stalin as your Great Leader / Great Ally

That's where you're wrong. Hitler and Stalin could never have been allies and the attack on Russia was inevitable. You can't have a bunch of ideological enemies running a global superpower, now can you?

Not to mention that half of Europe already worshipped Stalin as "great leader" until the collapse of the USSR.

[JDC]

That's where you're wrong. Hitler and Stalin could never have been allies and the attack on Russia was inevitable. You can't have a bunch of ideological enemies running a global superpower, now can you?

Weren't they pretty much allies until Hitler turned against Stalin?

[Dolfagr]

That's where you're wrong. Hitler and Stalin could never have been allies

They were in a form of ally when they annexed Poland and split it into half though.

[Alsatian]

Weren't they pretty much allies until Hitler turned against Stalin?

Hitler only allied himself with Stalin so he didn't have to fight a war on two fronts, which is why the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact was signed. Hitler had every intention of invading Soviet Russia after he had dealt with Britain and France.

He spoke about the war between ideals (Fascism/Communism) and races (Germanic/Slavic) in Mein Kampf. To him, war between Germany and Russia was inevitable.

[Oliver]

There's a difference between an ally and someone you have a non-aggression pact with. Germany and Russia have never been allies.

[Huntsman]

Stalin and Russia would never attack a country without being attacked first.

Your argument is invalid. I wish to see how you're going to argument the fact that Soviets invaded Lithuanians with no actual reason.

Dont see the point of your laugh. Stalin WAS worse than Hitler. My country was invaded by the Soviets for over 50 years. It's the result of the current national downfall.
My grandma lived back then. She still tells me stories about her exhile to Syberia.

A little example my grandma gave me :

A german soldier - a cleaned, washed, shiny uniform with even more shiny boots, knocking on the door, coming and gently asking for water.
Soviet soldier - Kicking the door of the house, yelling on my grandma, asking for "Vodka", when my grandma says she aint got any, they beat her, steal her goat and leave.

I believe there is a reason why Lithuanian armed resistance was a lot stronger on Soviets than on Germans.

[Dolfagr]

There's a difference between an ally and someone you have a non-aggression pact with. Germany and Russia have never been allies.

Yes however the Ribendolf - Molotov pact was a form of a temporary alliance for a specific purpose..and Soviet with Nazi soldiers parading and getting drunk surely sounds friendly.

[Alsatian]

There's a difference between an ally and someone you have a non-aggression pact with. Germany and Russia have never been allies.

I knew I should of went with a different word, lol. I didn't mean ally as in parading about, best of pals. Hitler only kept good relations with Stalin with the intention of one day invading Russia after he'd dealt with the Western Front.

But yeah whatever.

[JayL]

A german soldier - a cleaned, washed, shiny uniform with even more shiny boots, knocking on the door, coming and gently asking for water.
Soviet soldier - Kicking the door of the house, yelling on my grandma, asking for "Vodka", when my grandma says she aint got any, they beat her, steal her goat and leave.

Such bullshit thinking is what made Baltics go through what they went.

Stalin did not make you pay back fully what you owed after sucking up to the Nazis.

[Huntsman]

Such bullshit thinking is what made Baltics go through what they went.

Stalin did not make you pay back fully after sucking up to the Nazis.

We never sucked up to the Nazis.
We all been on the Nazi control ,as all countries controled by Nazi regime. Let me remind you Lithuania was the only country in baltics that refused to form an Waffen SS division.

P.S , this is no bullshit, this is the real life happenings that my grandma told me she had to went through.
The only thing anyone owes anything is Russia owes us our gold that you stolen when you occupied us.

[JayL]

We never sucked up to the Nazis.

You just did a few posts above. :|

[Huntsman]

Hitler did no crimes to my the people of my nation , but Stalin did.

As an overall, none , Hitler or Stalin were good.

They were both same evil. But as you know, history is being written by the victors, and Stalin did win the war.
What is irritating me is that people look at Stalin as the saviour, when he did even double the crimes Hitler did.

BTW JayL, i hate your avatar 

[Oliver]

Such bullshit thinking is what made Baltics go through what they went.

Stalin did not make you pay back fully what you owed after sucking up to the Nazis.

The Russians occupied us first, before the Germans invaded them. In one short year, we forgot all about our hatred towards the Germans and hailed them as saviours when they "liberated" us from the Soviet occupation because the living conditions were truly and utterly shit. We were way better off with Germany during wartime than we ever were with the USSR.

So please feel free to f**k off and shut up the next time you have anything to say about the illegal Soviet occupation in the Baltics.


P.S. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning the actions of the Nazis. I'm just saying that we suffered far less with the Germans than with the Russians.

Think: Hitler saw the Slavic people (that means you & your granny too) as the "untermenschen".

Lithuanians are Baltic, and as such are not Slavic. The Germans, instead of counting the Balts among the "undermenschen", saw them as a subject race with the potential of "Germanizing". That's why some of us, those with enough "Aryan" features, were taken into the Waffen-SS.