Discussion of WWII

[EenBeeFour]

In reply to Germany taking their ' parts'  they took what they claimed in the pact, to prevent Germany expanding their claims as they noticed already happening a couple of times.

Gandalf, could you please explain the beginning of World War II?

My History teacher says that Germany did not get what was rightfully theirs in the pact at the end of WWI, and Adolf Hitler took advantage of this situation.

[Dolfagr]

My History teacher says that Germany did not get what was rightfully theirs in the pact at the end of WWI, and Adolf Hitler took advantage of this situation.

Something like that. At the end of WWI Germany was a ruined country and they paid huge war compensations to the winners and people could be easily brainwashed and seduced by an "almighty nationalist hero", not implying that they all didn't know Hitler's intentions. In addition, the high class of Germany mostly included Jewish people whilst the German majority was in a disastrous situation.

[EenBeeFour]

Something like that. At the end of WWI Germany was a ruined country and they paid huge war compensations to the winners and people could be easily brainwashed and seduced by an "almighty nationalist hero", not implying that they all didn't know Hitler's intentions. In addition, the high class of Germany mostly included Jewish people whilst the German majority was in a disastrous situation.

I heard something about the fact the Jewish stole off the Germans.

[Gandalf]

As Germany had lost WW1, people were of course not happy about losing a war. On top of that cam the Great Depression, a situation similar to how things are in Greece nowadays, but without help as almost every country was in the same situation.
People had no money, no jobs and needed something to believe in. In such situation a strong leader that will unite people against an enemy can get a lot of followers. Hitler made the Jews the main enemy, as developments in Russia showed that removing all people with money causes chaos.
By focusing on a single group he gathered enough following to be elected (yes he was elected in a democratic process). Once elected he used his position to change the system from democracy to dictatorship, using the adverse situation to his benefit. Also he started campaigns in parts of Austria and Czechoslovakia to get them to become part of Germany. The countries united under the treaty of Versailles let this happen at the time, even if some were worried about the expansion.

Hitler boosted the economy by letting people build things like roads and weapons. However for this a country needs money, and taking away money from its own (Jewish) citizens was always going to be ending. There for the only way to for Germany not to collapse in to en even worse crisis was using the weapons to take more and more territory. Having been encouraged by his success in taking territories so far, Hitler orchestrated a conflict with Poland, which effectively started WW2.

[EenBeeFour]

Something like that. At the end of WWI Germany was a ruined country and they paid huge war compensations to the winners and people could be easily brainwashed and seduced by an "almighty nationalist hero", not implying that they all didn't know Hitler's intentions. In addition, the high class of Germany mostly included Jewish people whilst the German majority was in a disastrous situation.

As Germany had lost WW1, people were of course not happy about losing a war. On top of that cam the Great Depression, a situation similar to how things are in Greece nowadays, but without help as almost every country was in the same situation.
People had no money, no jobs and needed something to believe in. In such situation a strong leader that will unite people against an enemy can get a lot of followers. Hitler made the Jews the main enemy, as developments in Russia showed that removing all people with money causes chaos.
By focusing on a single group he gathered enough following to be elected (yes he was elected in a democratic process). Once elected he used his position to change the system from democracy to dictatorship, using the adverse situation to his benefit. Also he started campaigns in parts of Austria and Czechoslovakia to get them to become part of Germany. The countries united under the treaty of Versailles let this happen at the time, even if some were worried about the expansion.

Hitler boosted the economy by letting people build things like roads and weapons. However for this a country needs money, and taking away money from its own (Jewish) citizens was always going to be ending. There for the only way to for Germany not to collapse in to en even worse crisis was using the weapons to take more and more territory. Having been encouraged by his success in taking territories so far, Hitler orchestrated a conflict with Poland, which effectively started WW2.

Thanks, cleared up a big gap for me.

I'm playing two games called Hearts of Iron 3 and Victoria 2, I'm trying to stick to the historical path rather than completely derail it and screw over the world.

[Jubin]

Thanks, cleared up a big gap for me.

I'm playing two games called Hearts of Iron 3 and Victoria 2, I'm trying to stick to the historical path rather than completely derail it and screw over the world.

What's the point of playing HOI and Vicki2 if you're not gonna change the course of history in them?

[EenBeeFour]

What's the point of playing HOI and Vicki2 if you're not gonna change the course of history in them?

It's interactive, you can see how it happens visually and how it affects other nations as well as what they were doing as it was happening

[Gandalf]

It's interactive, you can see how it happens visually and how it affects other nations as well as what they were doing as it was happening

The same as today, they do nothing until you cross a limit, then they bomb the hell out of you.

[EenBeeFour]

The same as today, they do nothing until you cross a limit, then they bomb the hell out of you.

Sadly V1, V2 and V3 rockets and bombs take about 40 years to create even if you are Germany, but they are still fun to use if you bomb the crap out of a country before invading it in a war

[JayL]

Victoria 2

Get Pop Demand Mod if you want more-historical things.

[EenBeeFour]

Get Pop Demand Mod if you want more-historical things.

Alright. I'll get it when I manage to get this savegame to the end of the war.

[ElMartu]

YESSS

we rolling HARD with jay on PDM

[Alsatian]

My History teacher says that Germany did not get what was rightfully theirs in the pact at the end of WWI, and Adolf Hitler took advantage of this situation.

Initially Germany expected to recieve Woodrow Wilson's 14 Points - some of which were the general discouragement of armaments; an association to be established to protect political and territorial interests of big and small countries alike (which became the League of Nations); and navigational freedom in the seas in times of peace and war alike - as the basis for their terms of surrender.

However, they were instead presented with the Treaty of Versailles which made drastic military restrictions, territorial alterations and placed upon Germany huge reparations in the amount of around 132 billion marks. Furthermore, Germany was to accept full responsibility for the war.

The German people were infuriated and wanted revenge. They also felt they had been "stabbed in the back" by the officials who agreed and signed the treaty. The terms of the treaty, specifically the reparations, led Germany to a state of depression. The social and economical situation allowed Hitler to attract a lot of support.

In times of desperation, people will support whoever promises change. The Golden Years of the Wemair Republic gives credit to that line as the 1920s saw little to no success for the Nazi Party as times then were good in Germany and so people didn't vote extreme. That is until 1929 when the Wall Street Crash occured and Germany was once again thrown into a desperate situation. The 1930s saw huge success for the Nazis as Hitler once more took advantage of cirucmstances.

So yes, Hitler took FULL advantage of the situation and a lot of his success and support stemmed from the injustice the German people felt they had been dealt through the Treaty of Versailles.

[ElMartu]

Yeah but Hitler did change everything

just sayin

[Alsatian]

Yeah but Hitler did change everything

just sayin

Yeah when he had sufficient power to do so, no doubt.