We want some attention over here.

[freestyle_Shadow]

Hello, my nickname is [WS]Shadow, and I am a regular player of VC:MP. After few ideas, and the glitch turnout, I myself decided to let owners know what people think. After removing fastswitching and jumpswitching, I really do not see the point of CQB, where skill will be nothing. Skill was proven through those so called "bugs" which are not bugs. If you notice, that's how Vice City, the GTA is builded. Finally, the point where I want to come, is that I myself, and probably some other players of Argonath VC:MP, want that President and Prime Minister pay a visit in Vice City, so we can sort out all server problems, in a polite and regular way.

 I am not the only one wanting this, but in my opinion you cannot state rules by not knowing how something works. So, I please the owners, if they can take a trip to Vice City, for 3-4 days, so we can sort out server problems.

Thanks for attention,
VCPD Senior Officer, Shadow
WS Member, Shadow
VCPD Academy Manager, Shadow.

[SugarD]

This was already discussed awhile ago and resolved, yet some decided to go against the statements of the Server Owners anyway. This is not going to change as Argonath RPG's stance on it has been clear for quite some time.

[freestyle_Shadow]

I am sorry, but you didn't get the point. My point was that I want, if possible, that owners can take a trip to Vice City, so rules can be set better. So no more shitstorms, and everybody happy. That's all I want, and I used fastswitch as an example. I do not moan that I cannot live without fastswitch, indeed, I do not like that it got disabled, yet I wish to see the owners, if possible and not busy, to pay a visit to VC:MP.

 Do not misunderstand please


 Kind greetings, Shadow

[SugarD]

If you want them to visit Vice City, using glitches as a reason or example might not be the best idea. I would recommend you have them visit for other reasons relating to your idea that are a bit less controversial.

[freestyle_Shadow]

You didn't get it again. I will have to bold it out, seems. I please them to visit Argonath VC:MP few times, so rules can be enforced better, ideas could be done with owners knowledge ( so they see both how it is and what it is about ) and I see it as a better functionallity, less shitstorms, less spamfights, less inefifciency.

So I please them once again to visit ( NOT FOR GLITCHES / BUGS ) so Argonath VC:MP can develop on the good way, with more efficiency.

[Marcell]

lol this is getting quite annoying already

4 years, and NOW - some people get mad about 'glitching' which isn't even glitching, in order to try and make combat easier for themselves. How come - how come, nobody moaned about it during the whole past, it started not a long time ago? In fact, we're on a roleplay server, so why would you give a shit about how the combat is, if it was like that for a few years already?

It's those kind of people; those kind of people who manage to fail at everything due to their own fault, and try finding rules which can be used as a weapon, then turn that weapon against other people, only due to their mood. This can be used in variety of ways - you kill me in combat? I'll say how you fight, is glitching and using bugs, since people don't fight like that in single player! What, you took my parked car? I'll report you for car jacking! What, I don't like you and you want to join my tea party? Gtfo, you're ruining my roleplay!

Now to be honest, I don't really care about how the combat looks like. The only reason why I am annoyed, is because we all - the small community of VCMP - got bullied by some people who are considered to be veterans and good roleplayers, as they turned rules - something which is meant to help the game expand, to solve problems - against us, creating more problems. Those people can't just enjoy the game. Because they are too busy complaining about everything they don't like.

Now gandalf, aragorn, whatever your names are. The truth is, you are taking decisions on nothing you know about, supporting those kind of players, just cause they are more formal at whining about things. Glitching, using bugs to advantage? That's how they portray it, for us it's regular gameplay, and nobody except for them ever whined about. If they don't like how combat is, they don't need to participate in combat situations.

[stormeus]

In fact, we're on a roleplay server, so why would you give a shit about how the combat is

Probably one of the most ironic points regarding this thread.

For the record, I personally dislike fast switch and jump switch being disabled as well. However, we as members of the Argonath community had been warned about this issue numerous times before, and it seems that the owners believe their advice has fallen on deaf ears, hence the stricter sanctions.

[SugarD]

The only reason why I am annoyed, is because we all - the small community of VCMP - got bullied by some people who are considered to be veterans and good roleplayers, as they turned rules - something which is meant to help the game expand, to solve problems - against us, creating more problems.

Wrong. It is because some decided to take advantage of a situation when the Server Owners were too busy to keep a close eye on the server, and they tried to justify and make it "allowed" to do certain things that are against the Community Rules, which the server cannot override. It is those "veterans" you speak of that got sick of it. It just hasn't been a big deal until recently, because until recently, nothing was done about it. If you want to point fingers, it's not going to help anything. If you yourself say that we shouldn't be worried about combat glitching, then why are you trying to blame someone else for getting attention on it? Just go RP and have fun. As long as people follow the rules while having a good time, then we have no issues.

[ferrari32]

Wrong. It is because some decided to take advantage of a situation when the Server Owners were too busy to keep a close eye on the server, and they tried to justify and make it "allowed" to do certain things that are against the Community Rules, which the server cannot override. It is those "veterans" you speak of that got sick of it. It just hasn't been a big deal until recently, because until recently, nothing was done about it. If you want to point fingers, it's not going to help anything. If you yourself say that we shouldn't be worried about combat glitching, then why are you trying to blame someone else for getting attention on it? Just go RP and have fun. As long as people follow the rules while having a good time, then we have no issues.

Well then you're the one who's wrong here. Fastswitch and jumpswitch are a part of VCMP. They have been made on purpose, so Vice City would get more competitive, not just a luck game. Right now, without those ''glitches'' as you like to refer to them, combat is based on standing in one place and shooting, without an ability to move out of the way fast. Vice City's atmosphere is being ruined by these ''sanctions'', and yes, the owners should come to Vice City, just to get an idea of how things work on this client. I realize what the owners were thinking when they enforced their rules, since they probably had an idea it can be the same as SAMP. Well, the answer is no, It can't be same. Why? Come and see for yourself.

[Willy]

I hate big posts. These actions now:
Derailed the game-play.
Abused players having skills, by stating that those were the bugs.

EAF always train their members, in-game or at forum. Time was spent on picking up the best among the good. If others had taken these steps and stopped to create controversies, we shouldn't have to seen this day. People come for fun on VCMP servers after long hard day in real life. Don't ruin their time please.

Learn shooting, accept that you are noobs even after playing for so many years...

[Klaus]

It's true that owners are rather detached to the world of VCMP, and in my opinion they're going by their knowledge of MTAVC 4 or 5 years ago. This will never work as VCMP is unique, in its gameplay and community. It's not like MTAVC, SAMP, or any other multiplayer client. Some players from other servers fail to understand this concept.

The DM gamemode is hugely popular in VCMP for a reason. This reason is because of such techniques that improve the skill involved. Players learn and perfect techniques such as Fast switch and Jump switch that make them better fighters and clearly establishes the pros from the newbs. Some people don't like this fact, and instead of learning how to fight themselves, they choose to complain and whine. It's a shame that very few players have to ruin it for the majority.

[ZeRoX2]

This fighting style that involved "bugs", is used by all VC-MP players, and is unique amongst all GTA's. You can't just take it away. I know it has some advantage, but that requires practice, and after something like 1-2 weeks not more, you're becoming a pretty good player.

I strongly support to bring back Fast switch and Jump switch.

[Kessu]

This fighting style that involved "bugs", is used by all VC-MP players, and is unique amongst all GTA's. You can't just take it away. I know it has some advantage, but that requires practice, and after something like 1-2 weeks not more, you're becoming a pretty good player.

I strongly support to bring back Fast switch and Jump switch.

It took me 1 day to have a grasp on VCMPs combat when I really wanted to know instead of just M4'ing.

Also +1337 to Klaus' post  :bow:

[SugarD]

It's true that owners are rather detached to the world of VCMP, and in my opinion they're going by their knowledge of MTAVC 4 or 5 years ago. This will never work as VCMP is unique, in its gameplay and community. It's not like MTAVC, SAMP, or any other multiplayer client. Some players from other servers fail to understand this concept.

The DM gamemode is hugely popular in VCMP for a reason. This reason is because of such techniques that improve the skill involved. Players learn and perfect techniques such as Fast switch and Jump switch that make them better fighters and clearly establishes the pros from the newbs. Some people don't like this fact, and instead of learning how to fight themselves, they choose to complain and whine. It's a shame that very few players have to ruin it for the majority.

1. MTA:VC never had any of these issues.
2. This is not a DM server, so the relevance of saying that the techniques "improve skills" has absolutely nothing to do with our community.

Well then you're the one who's wrong here. Fastswitch and jumpswitch are a part of VCMP. They have been made on purpose, so Vice City would get more competitive, not just a luck game. Right now, without those ''glitches'' as you like to refer to them, combat is based on standing in one place and shooting, without an ability to move out of the way fast. Vice City's atmosphere is being ruined by these ''sanctions'', and yes, the owners should come to Vice City, just to get an idea of how things work on this client. I realize what the owners were thinking when they enforced their rules, since they probably had an idea it can be the same as SAMP. Well, the answer is no, It can't be same. Why? Come and see for yourself.

I'm not saying the Server Owners shouldn't come here. I agree that they should. That doesn't mean some of the changes that recently happened weren't justified, though.

[Ted]

I please them to visit Argonath VC:MP few times, so rules can be enforced better

If this is the case why are the rules not being enforced as they should be?