Community Suggestions For SA:MP SAFD

[Mikal]

Don't turn into the SAPD. Just do the missions and roleplay more.

Well said, scripts simply arnt needed for firemen, they are for ARPD because the suspect, cuff and jail commands can all be abused, firemen don't really have any commands to abuse.

[SugarD]

Well said, scripts simply aren't needed for firemen, they are for ARPD because the suspect, cuff and jail commands can all be abused, firemen don't really have any commands to abuse.

There aren't commands for people to abuse. There are commands for people to roleplay with. Scripts can still be abused without commands regardless.

[Hevar.]

I mean like oldschool when GS9 was on fire, then cops came and blocked all direction near GS9 untill firemen was finshed. So i mean firemen and cops should do more team work. Same goes to EMS they should team work with firemen instead for say '' Get in get in, plx plx''' just for money.

[SugarD]

I mean like oldschool when GS9 was on fire, then cops came and blocked all direction near GS9 untill firemen was finshed. So i mean firemen and cops should do more team work. Same goes to EMS they should team work with firemen instead for say '' Get in get in, plx plx''' just for money.

I do try my best to get this to happen, but I agree with you; more teamwork would be a giant plus. I'm always pushing for groups to work together, but unfortunately, not everyone wants to sometimes. I'll see what I can do about trying to get this to happen more, again. Thank you for the suggestion.

[Mikal]

There aren't commands for people to abuse. There are commands for people to roleplay with. Scripts can still be abused without commands regardless.

If yourself even agree theres no commands to be abused, why would fireman ban be needed?

[Kirgiz]

I think the only viable suggestion would be for you to mindfuck SAPD leaders on the issue of tight cooperation during fireman missions. You should ask for additional units to block roads especially in the habitable zones.

[Mikal]

I think the only viable suggestion would be for you to mindf**k SAPD leaders on the issue of tight cooperation during fireman missions. You should ask for additional units to block roads especially in the habitable zones.

What stops firemen from blocking roads? After all it is an emergency, in all the times I've been on fire duty, cops have always helped when asked, though some are stubborn sods who are just on duty to kill orange men, I remember once before the fire missions were even added, me and a bunch of other firemen decided to RP a gas leak at GS9, about 4 cops showed up and blocked the area off whilst we cleaned up, CBF was secretly spectating and gave us all a small reward, proof that scripts are not needed.

This server doesn't need scripts unless they are actually something that can't be RPed (despite the fact JDCs 'RP-IT' on every idea is annoying, some of it's true), it just needs good people who are actually here to RP, and not brag about their rank or how much stupid cash they have.

[SugarD]

If yourself even agree theres no commands to be abused, why would fireman ban be needed?

As I said, it doesn't take commands for someone to abuse things.

Job-bans can also be used for roleplay purposes when they need their duty rights removed for corruption.

I think the only viable suggestion would be for you to mindf**k SAPD leaders on the issue of tight cooperation during fireman missions. You should ask for additional units to block roads especially in the habitable zones.

Often I do try to do this. I have been in talks with all the Police Chiefs, SA:MP SAPD included, and they agree on the idea of cooperation being heavily enforced. For whatever reason, though, some users in the lower ranks still refuse to acknowledge help calls. I will try to pester Police units more to assist Fire over the radio, though. Thank you for the idea.

What stops firemen from blocking roads? After all it is an emergency, in all the times I've been on fire duty, cops have always helped when asked, though some are stubborn sods who are just on duty to kill orange men, I remember once before the fire missions were even added, me and a bunch of other firemen decided to RP a gas leak at GS9, about 4 cops showed up and blocked the area off whilst we cleaned up, CBF was secretly spectating and gave us all a small reward, proof that scripts are not needed.

Often we do with our trucks, but we need help with someone guiding and directing traffic, and arresting those who break through the scene. Our Fire personnel are not trained to do these things beyond basic vehicular blocks, and possible waving in one direction while yelling on a megaphone. We cannot handle situations where people bust through the barriers and end up killing more victims, bystanders, and emergency service personnel. We also don't have the numbers at a single scene to be doing everything on our own. It's just beyond our capabilities to take on so much at one scene.

As for the example with CBFasi, I agree. The only reason why the scripts were created in the first place was to encourage the RP in more unique ways with a reward available to those who showed good teamwork. Unfortunately, as time passed, the scripts were not updated to modern standards that had become available in SA:MP, and people learned to abuse them, hence why there are a lot of moneyhungry individuals now. The sad part is, I have no way to handle these users who misuse the job, as I have no scripted powers over anyone. The most I can do is issue Department-based punishments to those who have actually joined a Department, and nothing more. Most admins refuse to handle these situations too, so users are left feeling they are invulnerable to punishment, and continue to make it worse.

As for roleplaying itself, I still highly encourage this. It is a problem getting people to do it sometimes, but I try my best when I'm on duty to get roleplays going in between Fire Missions, and to encourage roleplaying at Fire Missions too, even if minimal, due to the amount of work some of these Fire Missions require, (which makes it that much harder to type while trying to keep someone from being blown up at the same time). Regardless of this, however, I agree that more focus needs to be put on roleplay. While I do encourage and enforce SAFD's leading members to promote roleplays, it seems I may need to push it harder so they actually get more people involved. The moneyhungry bias of players has got to change. I'm hoping with upcoming scripting advances in SA:MP RS5, that this may help with it too.

This server doesn't need scripts unless they are actually something that can't be RPed (despite the fact JDCs 'RP-IT' on every idea is annoying, some of it's true), it just needs good people who are actually here to RP, and not brag about their rank or how much stupid cash they have.

I agree. Scripts should only be there to enhance roleplay, not do it for you. Many people fail to realize this, and that is why we often see script-dependency being an issue in players. If they had roleplayed MTA:VC-style with the SA:MP-style scripts, the amount of fun people would have would be amazing because they would be doing everything themselves, while still getting that "inside the game" feeling from the visual enhancements being added.

[benasack2000]

"for SAFD command /ffban and /medicban also /ffrank and /medicrank"
No.

I'm sorry Mikal, I haven't heard a reply from you yet why we don't need ff/medic ban? Go to a mission or a callout these days and then i'll actually consider your argument. Otherwise, you don't have one.

Fire Extinguisher/Water Cannon Abuse
Poor Attitudes
Ruined RPs
Flaming on FF/Medic duty
Negligence
Drugs

[Mikal]

I'm sorry Mikal, I haven't heard a reply from you yet why we don't need ff/medic ban? Go to a mission or a callout these days and then i'll actually consider your argument. Otherwise, you don't have one.

Fire Extinguisher/Water Cannon Abuse

/report

Poor Attitudes

Not against any regulations/rules..

Ruined RPs

/report

Flaming on FF/Medic duty

/report

Negligence

Not against any regulations/rules..
Players cannot be forced to 'care' for someone.

Drugs

Call the cops, gather evidence, make a court case against said person.

Furthermore, I'm banned from SA:MP Argonath for saying Air Div only cares about looking cool, so I will not be attending any callouts.

[benasack2000]

That's hilarious Mikal!! I was cop banned 2 times for QUOTE "poor attitude"

I was cop banned probably 3 times as a new player for abusing a duty weapon


all these cop offenses can be translated directly to FD

abuse of duty weapons = fire extinguisher/water cannon abuse


You have no argument bro

[Mikal]

I have an argument, I just gave it, your only argument is that FD should be more like PD apparently..

[Groopy]

Whenever I am EMS or FD, I keep begging on chat for some roleplay accidents anything that includes FD and EMS.. and then I think ''Am I asking for roleplay on roleplay server?'' and from all the ignorants that just keep ordering heroin, growing weed, cops just chasing suspects I realise, there's no chance.. Cops are pulling over firemans that are responding to fire mission, is that happening in real life? do you see cop pulling over fireman with sirens and lights, asking for license? PD is just moving back FD from anything that's happening.. ''move back'' ''road closed get away!!!q32423e1'' and that's another reason. FD, EMS and PD should be united, we are emengercy services not enemies. More cooperation is needed, not getting away from eachother and attacking eachother

[Mikal]

and then I think ''Am I asking for roleplay on roleplay server?''

Unfortunately that's how Argonath is no matter what profession you are RPing, be it a criminal, cop, medic, fireman, whatever, you will probably always find yourself looking or asking for someone to RP with, because people don't generally RP in Argonath.

[benasack2000]

Unfortunately that's how Argonath is no matter what profession you are RPing, be it a criminal, cop, medic, fireman, whatever, you will probably always find yourself looking or asking for someone to RP with, because people don't generally RP in Argonath.

What keeps the ARPD officers in line? /copban and a good structured SAPD rank system. If they screw up, they will learn not to do it again.

The FD and EMS drug problems and other abuse can be stopped by just implementing this. Yes they can be dealt with by administration AND they can be shortly banned from the job to give them a little break from it to reflect on what they did wrong. I have reported ARFD members for water cannon abuse many times, and the admins handle it well. But this command can give FD and EMS command a little bit more leverage.