Facebook forced into revealing identities of cyberbullies

[SafetyMoose]

Free speech is for what you want to say. After all laws are only for others.

I learned some of the differences between free speach and hate speech from you gandalf back when I posted that video and got banned 

[Oliver]

Obviously you have no idea how to live if the civilised world. I don't know about you, but the majority of people enjoy living free of the threat of being assaulted, be it verbally or physically. Free Speech and Hate Speech are completely different things and if you can't understand the difference and enjoy being ignorant about either you might as well go and become an Anarchist, they seem to love using oppression as an excuse for their own violence. Just because you don't have the capacity to be a civilised person and live in the modern developed world, does not give you the ability to infringe the rights of other people.

People should learn to cope with the possibility of getting verbally abused. Hell, even despite your nanny governments penalizing people from speaking their minds, incidents like that still happen, and most of them are hush-hush.
Again, as I implied, while it's not smart to go around randomly insulting/discriminating people, the government shouldn't pour their resources into stopping "bullying" or anything else of the like. Let the people deal with it themselves, unless you'd actually welcome a nation of sheep who rely on Big Brother for everything.

[SafetyMoose]

People should learn to cope with the possibility of getting verbally abused. Hell, even despite your nanny governments penalizing people from speaking their minds, incidents like that still happen, and most of them are hush-hush.
Again, as I implied, while it's not smart to go around randomly insulting/discriminating people, the government shouldn't pour their resources into stopping "bullying" or anything else of the like. Let the people deal with it themselves, unless you'd actually welcome a nation of sheep who rely on Big Brother for everything.

We the people are the ones who have made out government the way it is, calling us "Sheep" is a terrible comparison seeing as we are the ones who have moulded the country in to what it is today. I would only call people sheep if they lived under the rule of some corrupt government, but when the government provides essential services for free and actively protects the rights and freedoms of its people then I dont see what the problem is. Some people just dont have the luxury of living in such a pristine society and its understandable they would rather take things in to their own hands then rely on their government. I have never had to feel any distrust in my government so I cant comment on ever having that viewpoint.

[JDC]

What we have done, is walked into a trap of our own making. That is how we are made into "sheep". We empowered (elected, supported, etc) the very same people who manipulate us.

[Nathan_Alexandrov]

Oliver, dont take this in any offense but from what I can gather you have been subject to a form of bullying through this you have become more resilient to the matter. However you must respect that some people go years without a form of bullying hence when they are confronted with it they dont know what to do thus the reaction that most bullies crave.

I wont share my views on the government as they are deemed highly offensive by some.

[Huntsman]

Well, the bullies got what they deserved?

[Jubin]

People should learn to cope with the possibility of getting verbally abused. Hell, even despite your nanny governments penalizing people from speaking their minds, incidents like that still happen, and most of them are hush-hush.
Again, as I implied, while it's not smart to go around randomly insulting/discriminating people, the government shouldn't pour their resources into stopping "bullying" or anything else of the like. Let the people deal with it themselves, unless you'd actually welcome a nation of sheep who rely on Big Brother for everything.

Defamation is not a simple bullying, Oliver. it's an attempt  to publicly destroy the other mans reputation and it is forbidden by most countries constitution, including Estonian. For example lets say you would go on to Estonian national television, get some air time and then would say something like: " Jubin is a bastard, born out of the incest of a brother and sister. On his spare time Jubin likes to first rape babies and then cut them into little pieces which he later eats with some ketchup."

So what do you think? Should I just cope with this situation then, because of your free speech and all?

[SafetyMoose]

What we have done, is walked into a trap of our own making. That is how we are made into "sheep". We empowered (elected, supported, etc) the very same people who manipulate us.

You speak as is if every government should not be trusted. To an extent your right, its foolish to believe that our governments don't try and manipulate us to some degree, thats how they get re-elected. But you seem to use personal experience to generalise on every other government. Not all of them are as bad as you try and portray them as.

[Oliver]

So what do you think? Should I just cope with this situation then, because of your free speech and all?

Something as ridiculous as that would never be believed, thus the attempt at defamation would fall flat and the only person's reputation I'd hurt would be mine. You seem to be forgetting that people still have the ability to make up their own mind, and with accusations such as eating babies, they're sure as hell going to want to see some proof.

But at least I'd still have the right to say such a thing, however stupid it might be. That's the point of free speech.

[Torero]

What we have done, is walked into a trap of our own making. That is how we are made into "sheep". We empowered (elected, supported, etc) the very same people who manipulate us.

Talking about the government.. It ain't like all are the same.. But mine .. In Greece.. Oh man. Suits my country well.

[Jubin]

Something as ridiculous as that would never be believed, thus the attempt at defamation would fall flat and the only person's reputation I'd hurt would be mine. You seem to be forgetting that people still have the ability to make up their own mind, and with accusations such as eating babies, they're sure as hell going to want to see some proof.

But at least I'd still have the right to say such a thing, however stupid it might be. That's the point of free speech.

You underestimate the human kind of believing in things that aren't true even without evidence. Take Michael Jackson case if you want an example from real life.

[Gandalf]

Something as ridiculous as that would never be believed, thus the attempt at defamation would fall flat and the only person's reputation I'd hurt would be mine. You seem to be forgetting that people still have the ability to make up their own mind, and with accusations such as eating babies, they're sure as hell going to want to see some proof.

But at least I'd still have the right to say such a thing, however stupid it might be. That's the point of free speech.

Actually you are still missing the point of free speech.
No, free speech does not mean saying any bullshit that is in your brain without anything being done about it. Free speech just means that you will not be stopped from talking bullshit.
What happens after that depends on whatever bullshit you were saying. If you broke a law, expect the government to take action. If you gave reason for a private lawsuit, expect lawyers to be knocking on your door. If it happens in a bar, expect to be punched on the nose.

For instance, if we would require all posts to be reviewed by someone before posting, we would limit the right of free expression. The funny thing is however that this right is valid only within the public domain. Being a privately owned forum, we could actually do this without any legal problem.
As we do not, we are giving our members the right of free speech, however we do not give the same rights to our guests. We can do this on base of preventing spam and hate speech. And nobody can force us by law to let guests post based on freedom os expression.

So next time you take these words, you might wish to first actually research the subject.

[Oliver]

No, free speech does not mean saying any bullshit that is in your brain without anything being done about it. Free speech just means that you will not be stopped from talking bullshit.
What happens after that depends on whatever bullshit you were saying. If you broke a law, expect the government to take action. If you gave reason for a private lawsuit, expect lawyers to be knocking on your door. If it happens in a bar, expect to be punched on the nose.

That's exactly what I was saying - yes, you CAN say whatever you want, but you won't get away without any consequences. I simply disagreed with the government getting involved in it by throwing people in jail for a couple of "racist" comments. If the person getting insulted feels offended, they always have the right to sue the other person for compensation.

[SafetyMoose]

That's exactly what I was saying - yes, you CAN say whatever you want, but you won't get away without any consequences. I simply disagreed with the government getting involved in it by throwing people in jail for a couple of "racist" comments. If the person getting insulted feels offended, they always have the right to sue the other person for compensation.

Criminal acts are dealt with by the government in a criminal court, not civil courts so that would not work.

[Dillon]

Actually it's strange you will notice that allot of criminal acts are handled in civil courts rather than criminal courts otherwise what would be the point of civil court if there was nothing illegal to be sued about? (That's kind of tricky and can be backwards) But generally the government deals with most, other than like damage of property and similar cases. However in the case of Oliver they would be able to sue in civil courts but cyber bullying is different it's normally solved in a civil court but that is without police involvement which is strange in this situation. If the police are involved the person claiming the bullying can press charges and it will be resolved in criminal courts.