Tests hint at possible Arafat poisoning

[Rami]

Palestine does not exist, except in your mind. That you wish to become a nation is something different.

It's exist in every Palestine-supporter's mind, but not in haters' minds like you.

You denied they existed. Now you tell they will be taken down? Get a grip on that Palestinians are trying to hide that they are very capable of leading a normal life as long as they stop hating and attacking.

I checked it out, these 2 malls were opened in mid of June, so yea, I didn't hear about it.

Palestinians just like Jewish are people. Some are scattered around the world, some have remained true to their birth area. Some live in the Palestine territories, some live in Israel.

These are settlers, can you explain me how legal are they?
Aren't they living in West Bank which is in law a complete territory under Palestinian Authority control.
But they still build their settlements in our territories and take over many villages with protection of IDF, and mostly settlers are armed.

What you should understand is that I do not deny you the right to form a country. I just disapprove of the constant victim card Palestinians play, as well as that most refuse to allow Israel to exist.

We are a victim!
If you are going to tell me "You shoot rockets at Israel!", Hammas is the only one who shoots rockets that can barely destroy a wall or a room (And usually hits empty areas). Hammas's military force is not more than 50k person, what about the rest of Palestinians? The one who want peace and has nothing to do with these shitty rockets that only destroy peace?

Let me clear this out, I am against Hammas, as the most rest of Palestinian people.

And the last is exactly the reason why Israel will never allow Palestina to become independent, and it will take a long time until you have a free transport. As soon as Palestina declares they will live in peace with Israel, and will no longer dispute  the existence, you might get real support. Right now more and more people and countries see how many false facts are fabricated, and how Palestinians can do nothing but hate. That makes you lose support until it is at a level where you really might be killed

Since Oslo 1994, we are shouting that we want peace, and we want to live with Israel in peace, side by side.
But what did we get? Intifada 1, 2, Gaza War 2008, and other minor events which killed, injured, and jailed lots of Palestinians.

So far I embarrassed you on every 'fact' you are telling. Sorry but such things do not work on me. My tone is my tone, and what I tell you are facts. That you do not wish to accept them I understand, as you are stuck in being a brainwashed victim.

I can say the same to you too. I consider you brainwashed as you believe all what Israel tries to spread in media around the whole world.
So you are simply also brainwashed in my view.

[Gandalf]

It's exist in every Palestine-supporter's mind, but not in haters' minds like you.

I do not hate. Or I hate all equally. But no difference for me.

I checked it out, these 2 malls were opened in mid of June, so yea, I didn't hear about it.

If you do not have any knowledge of what happens there, then do not try to spread misinformation.

These are settlers, can you explain me how legal are they?
Aren't they living in West Bank which is in law a complete territory under Palestinian Authority control.
But they still build their settlements in our territories and take over many villages with protection of IDF, and mostly settlers are armed.

Sorry if I wrote it in a way you did not understand. I was talking about Palestinians

We are a victim!
If you are going to tell me "You shoot rockets at Israel!", Hammas is the only one who shoots rockets that can barely destroy a wall or a room (And usually hits empty areas). Hammas's military force is not more than 50k person, what about the rest of Palestinians? The one who want peace and has nothing to do with these shitty rockets that only destroy peace?

You are not a victim of anyone but yourself. If you had been awake and present in 1948 you would have had a country. If you had been awake and present in 1918 you might have had one. But eveyone was just herding their goats and did not mind anything until they saw you can build a city.

Let me clear this out, I am against Hammas, as the most rest of Palestinian people.

Then how do they win elections?

Since Oslo 1994, we are shouting that we want peace, and we want to live with Israel in peace, side by side.
But what did we get? Intifada 1, 2, Gaza War 2008, and other minor events which killed, injured, and jailed lots of Palestinians.

Intifada 1 ended in 1993. I already know you are very bad in history of your own area, but still...
And at the same time many minor events which killed and injured lots of Jewish.
Their lives are equally important as those of Palestinians.
If you want to live in peace, then you have to live peaceful. If you want to fight, you can not get peace.

I can say the same to you too. I consider you brainwashed as you believe all what Israel tries to spread in media around the whole world.
So you are simply also brainwashed in my view.

Prove me wrong.

[SafetyMoose]

Rami, Answer me one more question. If you had the power to end the conflict. If Israel came to YOU and said...

"if you agree to accept that your land is part of Israel and can agree to live there knowing we control it, we will stop all violence and let you live in peace"

What would your decision be?

[Squeak]

Rami, Answer me one more question. If you had the power to end the conflict. If Israel came to YOU and said...

"if you agree to accept that your land is part of Israel and can agree to live there knowing we control it, we will stop all violence and let you live in peace"

What would your decision be?

I would tell them to fuck off, Israel is an illegal apartheid state that subjugates non-Jews.

[Rami]

If you do not have any knowledge of what happens there, then do not try to spread misinformation.

They were opened few weeks ago, and I hate lots of final exams for school.

You are not a victim of anyone but yourself. If you had been awake and present in 1948 you would have had a country. If you had been awake and present in 1918 you might have had one. But eveyone was just herding their goats and did not mind anything until they saw you can build a city.

Don't blame me for my ancestors did in 1918.
1948, it was the beginning of the whole case, of course we refused the splitting-decision.
Like, if you had a cake, and someone offensively took it from you, would you give it up? No, at first you would tell him to give it back, then if he refuses, you might shout at him, and that's what we did.

Then how do they win elections?

Elections were in 2006.
Hammas lost it's popularity after the Coup of 2007 when Hammas took over Gaza Strip.

Intifada 1 ended in 1993. I already know you are very bad in history of your own area, but still...
And at the same time many minor events which killed and injured lots of Jewish.
Their lives are equally important as those of Palestinians.
If you want to live in peace, then you have to live peaceful. If you want to fight, you can not get peace.

Take a look at this chart please.

Prove me wrong.

Yet again, I can also ask you to prove me wrong.
And when you try to, I'm gonna tell you my facts, and you'll say something else to try to prove me wrong again, and that how it goes.
You see .. Everyone has his own opinion, and his own believes that he won't let it go.
I got my own believes and opinions that I won't let go.
And probably same applies on you too.

[SafetyMoose]

I would tell them to f**k off, Israel is an illegal apartheid state that subjugates non-Jews.

Was not asking you, learn to read sir.

[Rami]

Rami, Answer me one more question. If you had the power to end the conflict. If Israel came to YOU and said...

"if you agree to accept that your land is part of Israel and can agree to live there knowing we control it, we will stop all violence and let you live in peace"

What would your decision be?

No.

Israel is ON my land, and I am not on it's land.

we will stop all violence and let you live in peace

Seriously? After all what was done?
And you think they would really leave us in peace?
Do you know how much are people in green line (Palestinians who fought the impossible to remain in their houses, which is currently in whats so called "Israel") are suffering each day from getting their houses destroyed and their children hit while they're on their way to school? Do you imagine how hard their lives are?

And the same thing will apply on us in case what you said happened, which will never, ever, happen.

[Squeak]

Bottom line is; as long as the state of Israel exists, there will never be peace in the middle east. I have no balls to post normal.

[SafetyMoose]

No.

Israel is ON my land, and I am not on it's land.

Seriously? After all what was done?
And you think they would really leave us in peace?
Do you know how much are people in green line (Palestinians who fought the impossible to remain in their houses, which is currently in whats so called "Israel") are suffering each day from getting their houses destroyed and their children hit while they're on their way to school? Do you imagine how hard their lives are?

And the same thing will apply on us in case what you said happened, which will never, ever, happen.

So Rami, if you would say no, that makes YOU responsible for the deaths of the Women and Children that will now die and YOU had the chance to save. You are now a murderer who is no better then what you claim Israel to be. You say you are against violence yet you would rather watch your own people, your own women and children die over what a piece of land is called? You could have saved those people yet you decided not to. If every other Palestinian feels this way, no wonder your people die, you have no excuse to complain to be the victim when you allow these things to happen to yourself.
You can continue to play the blame game about Israel but that response proves to me that you have no remorse for the lives of your people and would rather they die to keep the name of a tiny spit of land.

[Gandalf]

They were opened few weeks ago, and I hate lots of final exams for school.

No they were not. The mall was opened in 2010, the university was already there in 2008.

Don't blame me for my ancestors did in 1918.
1948, it was the beginning of the whole case, of course we refused the splitting-decision.
Like, if you had a cake, and someone offensively took it from you, would you give it up? No, at first you would tell him to give it back, then if he refuses, you might shout at him, and that's what we did.

Why did you not start any fights until 1967 ? You got 20 years in which you were sitting on your ass looking at the sky, and only when you noticed Israel got rich you started objecting.
I do blame you for your ancestors, as if they had not been lazy you would not sit screaming as a little girl that Israel is unfair.

Elections were in 2006.
Hammas lost it's popularity after the Coup of 2007 when Hammas took over Gaza Strip.

Yet they won elections over Fatah who was for peaceful cooperation. So Palestine people chose for Hamas who do not want Israel to exist at all.

Take a look at this chart please.

It shows how often Hamas is using children to hide behind.

Yet again, I can also ask you to prove me wrong.
And when you try to, I'm gonna tell you my facts, and you'll say something else to try to prove me wrong again, and that how it goes.
You see .. Everyone has his own opinion, and his own believes that he won't let it go.
I got my own believes and opinions that I won't let go.
And probably same applies on you too.

I have proven you wrong on almost every point you bring forward. If you prove me wrong I will accept it.
Opinion is good, but base it on facts. And as said, there are many things why I would support the Palestine people, and even Israel would support them.
But it would take a change in mentality.
If you know that your brother will kill you if he gets a knife in his hands, would you let someone deliver a package to him without checking it ?

[Tomer]

Israel doesn't gives a single shit about this, neither I on this topic, but due the fact you are trying to get self support, I dunno, if you feel better with that, you are completely wrong by doing it here, I don't see the exact news here, I see you are just trying to prove Israel should be demolished and Palestine must own it, ofc not. :conf:
Gandalf is right, he has proven the correct points, most of them are completely negative to yours, which means your story is not needed, once again, good I have an reliable source.  :trust:

(( That is not something private against Rami ))

[Rami]

So Rami, if you would say no, that makes YOU responsible for the deaths of the Women and Children that will now die and YOU had the chance to save. You are now a murderer who is no better then what you claim Israel to be. You say you are against violence yet you would rather watch your own people, your own women and children die over what a piece of land is called? You could have saved those people yet you decided not to. If every other Palestinian feels this way, no wonder your people die, you have no excuse to complain to be the victim when you allow these things to happen to yourself.
You can continue to play the blame game about Israel but that response proves to me that you have no remorse for the lives of your people and would rather they die to keep the name of a tiny spit of land.

So if I refuse getting my country occupied, I get my people killed?
Sounds fair.

Israel doesn't gives a single shit about this, neither I on this topic.

Why are you posting here then?

No they were not. The mall was opened in 2010, the university was already there in 2008.

Who said anything about universities?
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=221934

Why did you not start any fights until 1967 ? You got 20 years in which you were sitting on your ass looking at the sky, and only when you noticed Israel got rich you started objecting.
I do blame you for your ancestors, as if they had not been lazy you would not sit screaming as a little girl that Israel is unfair.

If I could go back in time, I wouldn't refuse the 1967 UN offer.
So no, don't blame me, because this is senseless.

Yet they won elections over Fatah who was for peaceful cooperation. So Palestine people chose for Hamas who do not want Israel to exist at all.
It shows how often Hamas is using children to hide behind.

We were just out of the Second Intifada, do you have any idea how mad the people were? Yes they wanted to wipe out Israel so they choose Hammas (Weather if Hammas was able to do so or not, it was the only military power fighting Israel on land).

But people change.

I have proven you wrong on almost every point you bring forward. If you prove me wrong I will accept it.
Opinion is good, but base it on facts. And as said, there are many things why I would support the Palestine people, and even Israel would support them.
But it would take a change in mentality.
If you know that your brother will kill you if he gets a knife in his hands, would you let someone deliver a package to him without checking it ?

You have never proven me wrong, unless you think that you did.
For me, my opinions are based on facts. Facts that I witnessed.
But how did you get your facts? Internet? Media? Hmm .. Tell me about how honest they are.

[SafetyMoose]

So if I refuse getting my country occupied, I get my people killed?
Sounds fair.

If you say this then why are you complaining about Israel killing Palestinian Women and Children? You made a big deal of it before now you seem to not even care about them.

[Rami]

If you say this then why are you complaining about Israel killing Palestinian Women and Children? You made a big deal of it before now you seem to not even care about them.

Huh? I do care about my people and country more than anything else.
But have you even read my post?

If I refuse getting my land which is West Bank right now (Which is under full Palestinian Authority control and can never enter such deal) I get my family killed? How does that even sound fair?

West Bank & Gaza Strip are supposed to be under full Palestinian Authority control according to Oslo conference in 1994, where that was signed between Israeli's and Palestinians.

Please .. Quit posting here .. In each post you proof how much knowledge you got about this case, Zero.

[SafetyMoose]

Huh? I do care about my people and country more than anything else.
But have you even read my post?

If I refuse getting my land which is West Bank right now (Which is under full Palestinian Authority control and can never enter such deal) I get my family killed? How does that even sound fair?

No, if you understood English and read what I posted I said if you accept that Israel control Palestine, your people WONT die. Yet you said you would refuse this deal, meaning you would rather your people die then agree to be controlled by Israel.