Police officer shot dead in street

[Kizzu]

Big fuss about guns and all, but if you ever killed someone you would probably be better dead...ask your country's Army(U.S.), where there is more deaths by suicide then by enemy fire...

http://theconversation.edu.au/the-other-enemy-suicide-now-the-biggest-killer-of-american-troops-7659
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9162

I have talked to a lot of American gun-lovers, and all of them think that they are some kind of Hollywood action movie characters and think that pushing the trigger against someone is like a walk in the park. It isn't, unless you're a Psychopath.

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

That it is near the city does not mean its big itself. You are sitting near an intelligent person and what are you?
And when someone breaks in to your house you will be shot with your own gun and be happy about it.

Only if you're an idiot who knows nothing about guns.

Big fuss about guns and all, but if you ever killed someone you would probably be better dead...ask your country's Army(U.S.), where there is more deaths by suicide then by enemy fire...

http://theconversation.edu.au/the-other-enemy-suicide-now-the-biggest-killer-of-american-troops-7659
http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9162

I have talked to a lot of American gun-lovers, and all of them think that they are some kind of Hollywood action movie characters and think that pushing the trigger against someone is like a walk in the park. It isn't, unless you're a Psychopath.

It's never fun to have to shoot someone, unless like you said, you're a psychopath, but you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself, your family, or your friends.

[Gandalf]

It's never fun to have to shoot someone, unless like you said, you're a psychopath, but you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself, your family, or your friends.

When was the last time you killed someone in real life?

[Mikal]

When was the last time you killed someone in real life?

He killed a fly....

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

When was the last time you killed someone in real life?

Never? But you still haven't answered Safetymoose's question, have you?

[SugarD]

Thats what happens when you don't give cops guns in a world where guns are so easy to access.

That's what happens when you try to restrict weapons and fail to. If everyone is packing, cops should too. There are actually less shootings when everyone has a gun because no one is going to risk shooting someone else when they know they are likely armed. This works even better when everyone is properly trained on using them too.

My heart goes out to the officer's family. May he rest in peace.

Another brother in blue fallen after crossing the Thin, Blue Line...

[SafetyMoose]

When was the last time you killed someone in real life?

Drawing a weapon on someone or even shooting them does not mean they die. You seem to have the mindset that all guns do are kill people. Yes, there intended purpose is as a weapon to cause harm, but you can't seem to see past the violence and understand the self defence aspect. What, if this was the 1700 would you be against people owning swords? I have never had to kill someone, simply drawing a weapon on them makes them stop which is why guns are needed to keep the peace and to defend ones family and property.

Now, Go ahead and answer my question, or you can keep avoiding it and continue proving my point that you know jack shit about this topic.
Post Merge: July 17, 2012, 02:22:10 am

That's what happens when you try to restrict weapons and fail to. If everyone is packing, cops should too. There are actually less shootings when everyone has a gun because no one is going to risk shooting someone else when they know they are likely armed. This works even better when everyone is properly trained on using them too.

My heart goes out to the officer's family. May he rest in peace.

Another brother in blue fallen after crossing the Thin, Blue Line...

This is the point every realistic person in this thread is trying to point out, but certain people here seem to be confused and think every gun owner is a trigger happy redneck. Morons.

[Kizzu]

I am kind of in the middle when it comes to the right to own a gun...I defend the right to, but I think it should be strictly controlled. Guns should only be sold in specific places and so should bullets, not in Walmart or a 24/7. And it should require a license. If these requirements aren't met, you can end up with catastrophes such as the Columbine Massacre, where two kids could buy their own bullets in a 24/7 shop...

[Pandalink]

Drawing a weapon on someone or even shooting them does not mean they die.

To be fair if you shoot someone, you shoot to kill. If you don't kill them then whatever, but there's no "safe disabling shot" and in actual fact shooting someone in the leg or something might suggest to police/courts that you had a lot of time to consider your actions, so you're probably better off just aiming at the chest and shooting to kill.

[SafetyMoose]

To be fair if you shoot someone, you shoot to kill. If you don't kill them then whatever, but there's no "safe disabling shot" and in actual fact shooting someone in the leg or something might suggest to police/courts that you had a lot of time to consider your actions, so you're probably better off just aiming at the chest and shooting to kill.

You obviously have no idea how cops are trained over here.

[SugarD]

You obviously have no idea how cops are trained over here.

Actually he is right to a degree on the first part of his post. If you are forced to draw your weapon and fire, you're shooting to take the subject down. You're taught to not hesitate in these situations once firing as an officer. Just plainly drawing your weapon is a different story, however.

@Panda specifically: In the event of a non-lethal shot being taken, it would be argued that the officer should have instead used a lesser-lethal weapon, rather than a firearm, if they were specifically only attempting to disable the suspect without the intent to kill.

[SafetyMoose]

Actually he is right to a degree on the first part of his post. If you are forced to draw your weapon and fire, you're shooting to take the subject down. You're taught to not hesitate in these situations once firing as an officer. Just plainly drawing your weapon is a different story, however.

@Panda specifically: In the event of a non-lethal shot being taken, it would be argued that the officer should have instead used a lesser-lethal weapon, rather than a firearm, if they were specifically only attempting to disable the suspect without the intent to kill.

Im talking about drawing your weapon. If Im actually going to pull the trigger then we do it with the full intention of taking a life.

[SugarD]

Im talking about drawing your weapon. If Im actually going to pull the trigger then we do it with the full intention of taking a life.

Yes, that would be correct then.

[Pandalink]

@Panda specifically: In the event of a non-lethal shot being taken, it would be argued that the officer should have instead used a lesser-lethal weapon, rather than a firearm, if they were specifically only attempting to disable the suspect without the intent to kill.

Yea, but in my case I was thinking about a civilian in the home, although now I realise that I didn't actually point that out. :redface:

[Squeak]

All of the proponents for guns in this thread probably have never witnessed gun violence. I'm not saying a gun used for home defense is a bad idea, but when you realize how stupidly easy it is for anyone to obtain a firearm you realize that there is a huge risk and danger involved.