Police officer shot dead in street

[Gandalf]

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493636
One of my most favorite movies ever!

It would be good if the underlying scientific studies could be named....

[SugarD]

The trolling and stereotyping really isn't needed in this topic guys...

It would be good if the underlying scientific studies could be named....

For whatever reason, I couldn't find any statistics supporting either side of the argument. All I could come up with was references to that book, and pointless political news topics.

[EliteTerm]

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Good enough?

I also noticed that there are conflicting statistics in different areas saying that places that has gun control noticed a drop in violence, but opposite in other places where it went up instead.

The REAL problem here is that people are very unpredictable. How many times you've heard stories of someone doing violent crimes and have their friends & relatives saying that he/she gets along with everybody?

A firearm is just another tool, but in the wrong hands becomes deadly. If someone performs vehicular manslaughter, should we ban vehicles?

[Abraham]

If someone performs vehicular manslaughter, should we ban vehicles?

Should've been done a long time ago, especially in America.

[SugarD]

Should've been done a long time ago, especially in America.

You don't own a car, do you? :P

[Abraham]

You don't own a car, do you? :P

I don't

But I was referring to this

[[SE]Dr_Pepper27]

Saying America has no culture, is saying the world has no culture. We have probably pretty close to most cultures from all around the world in the US.

[SugarD]

Saying America has no culture, is saying the world has no culture. We have probably pretty close to most cultures from all around the world in the US.

That's why we are referred to as a melting pot of ethnicities.

[SafetyMoose]

Old people kicking ass

Raw Video: Fla. Man Shoots Would-be Robbers

[Gandalf]

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp

Good enough?

I also noticed that there are conflicting statistics in different areas saying that places that has gun control noticed a drop in violence, but opposite in other places where it went up instead.

The REAL problem here is that people are very unpredictable. How many times you've heard stories of someone doing violent crimes and have their friends & relatives saying that he/she gets along with everybody?

A firearm is just another tool, but in the wrong hands becomes deadly. If someone performs vehicular manslaughter, should we ban vehicles?

The only foreign country taken in here is Britain, the rest of Europe is conveniently left out.
Even the statistics in the report are conflicting, showing increases that are equal in states with and without gun laws, and decreases already happened before they were removed.

The main origin of the "fight" lies in the culture in de US that some think is absent, but has clearly developed. While in Europe there has usally been a from of strong Government and police everywhere,
the US grew up as "free land" where a strong self-defense was crucial for survival.
This has been embedded in culture so strong that limiting gun possession is for many, as has been proved in this topic, like removing a crucial body part (pun intended).
The defense often amounts to irrational rambles and anger, rather than real statistics just as one would expect.

Reality is that with their culture, citizens in the US often need the feeling of safety that comes from possessing a gun, where as Europeans often feel that having a potential lethal device at home is a risk.

[SafetyMoose]

where as Europeans often feel that having a potential lethal device at home is a risk.

it will be interesting to see if this ever change seeing as there has been so much racial violence and tension.

[Gandalf]

it will be interesting to see if this ever change seeing as there has been so much racial violence and tension.

The amount of racial violence and tension is hugely exaggerated.
First of all there is the identity crisis of the third and fourth generations, who do not belong to the country of their ancestors, yet are not fully accepted where they live. This will pass, as it passed for people who migrated earlier. In Holland nowadays there is no violence regarding the people from Indonesia, Italy or Surinam, which was there 30 years ago.
Second there is the economic crisis, which also causes people to be less friendly to groups that migrated.
Ever asked an American how he feels about Mexicans, or a Russian regarding Azerbeidjani?
Nothing strange, and nothing that can be solved with an uprise in economy.

[Mikal]

The only foreign country taken in here is Britain

Probibly because I've only mentioned Britain not having guns, I don't know about the rest of Europe so I didn't say..

where as Europeans often feel that having a potential lethal device at home is a risk.

I'm not sure on the rest of Europe, once again.. But one main problem that stops people possessing guns for defence in the UK is that if you kill someone who breaks into your house and trys to hurt you, your still going down for murder. There was a story not long ago, a British farmer was being robbed by two dick heads in his house, he woke up and got his rifle, they ran off and he chased them out shooting at them as they ran across the field, he killed one and injured the other, he was sent down for years.

Fact is it's mainly some of the shit laws that stop people defending themselves across the UK, probibly the same for the rest of Europe since they don't really have guns either. :razz:

[Gandalf]

Probibly because I've only mentioned Britain not having guns, I don't know about the rest of Europe so I didn't say..
I'm not sure on the rest of Europe, once again.. But one main problem that stops people possessing guns for defence in the UK is that if you kill someone who breaks into your house and trys to hurt you, your still going down for murder. There was a story not long ago, a British farmer was being robbed by two dick heads in his house, he woke up and got his rifle, they ran off and he chased them out shooting at them as they ran across the field, he killed one and injured the other, he was sent down for years.

Fact is it's mainly some of the shit laws that stop people defending themselves across the UK, probibly the same for the rest of Europe since they don't really have guns either. :razz:

And rightfully so. It might have been accepted that he defended his home, but chasing after them simply makes him a killer.

[Mikal]

And rightfully so. It might have been accepted that he defended his home, but chasing after them simply makes him a killer.

Wouldn't you shoot at two thugs that just robbed from your home and will probibly go on to do it to others? I certainly would.
Theres those that don't have jobs, and don't break the law, and theres those that don't have jobs, because they can't be bothered and decide to steal from people who work for a living instead, they are the people I'de shoot at. :roll: