Pilot License

[Lazlow]

Besides, half of them go through a drivings license test, pass it, buy a fast car and speed through the highway non-stop.

I agree. I think we should remove car license as-well.. It's a waste of time, no?

Void.. I would like to invite you to SAMP server.. they have Multiple driving schools! Just for Cars! And they love it.. to bring competition between SSD and some other lettered things, just so that they could confuse new players and complicated what doesnt really need to exist. And when i suggested to sort that system out, "someone" quickly denied and closed the topic. ^^


So okey.. Void, why do we even have Licensing system for vehicles? (I wish for Void only to answer this one.)

[Void]

I agree. I think we should remove car license as-well.. It's a waste of time, no?

No, it is not a waste of time because you forgot the main purpose of having a license: Buying a vehicle. Everyone aims to have a license so they can purchase a vehicle. It's like the passport system and registration on the forum. They allow you some benefits.
Driving schools will teach you traffic laws but how you drive on the streets with your license is your responsibility.

[Lazlow]

I know it's Long..

I see.. I thought it was more about the Role play, the Fun, the Realism flavor that it brings to server, the Information for newb players to be awere on how professional RP can be, on first steps to nice Role-playing, as Role-play Introduction. I think it's more than meets the eye

I think we are trying to make this server as realistic to real life as possible, and that's why im introducing licenses as they should be. I dont see how you do not wish to develop positive add-ons like these.

Now going to Helicopter talk. I want to stick to your topic that you bring, you are saying that MAIN purpose for licensing is to allow them buy Any vehicle, and inform of the traffic laws, and that is the benefits of such licensing. So removing licensing system, we would be to buy vehicles anyways, but not informed of traffic laws. So it comes down to Licensing is only to inform of traffic laws, but how you drive on the streets with your license is your responsibility.

Now.. don't you think that someone with helicopter running deadly low the busy street is against the law and should clearly be suspected? May I also remind you all, that vehicle damage will likely exist once T4 is out.


I prepered few sample Theoretical and Practical tests that would be asked/thought if such thing would exist:




Helicopter
Theory:
How low can you fly? Above 2 helicopter's high
What to do if you see another helicopter near by in air? Quickly slow down, and try to over take from sides.
How close can you fly near the building? More than 2 helicopters apart
WHere is it allowed to land a helicopter? On a well cleared space, with no vehicles or pedestrians close by. Must keep 1 helicopter apart from any obsticles.

Practical:
Lessons for Proper Landing Techniques. then Tested upon. Result should show a very stable and calm landing, without any slidings
Safe vehicle following/Observation Techniques. Then tested upon. Particulary useful if you plan on being a policeman, news reporter, or just an "eye in the sky".




Now these tests above would inform the player pretty well, and reduce chaos in citys, as helicopter should never EVER be driven as a standard vehicle. It is a very dangerous transport.

As for talking about boats, I see how it is not difficult from driving a basic vehicle, as the controls are very "similar". But as I can see, some don't know that boats can also tilt themselves up and down, just like a bike.
I wish to remind you, as i cant stress this enough, that all im trying to do, is to mach real life! Such licenses exist EVERYWHERE.

I have also prepered few sample tests for boats:

Boat
Theory:
What to do when you see another boat near by? Slow down to reduce causing waves and prevent accidents.

Practical:
Extreeme weather conditions, how to maintain top speed at high waves
Parking techniques without ramming
Parking techniques without leaving a boat to float away



And about boats not being so mainstream, I am a big fan of boats, and I can imagine many busienss ideas: Boat rental, Boat Taxi, Boat Driver to rent, and when I RP, i would like to take my friends on my boat, and possibly be the only one with license, becouse as you said, who don't care about boats, shouldn't get the license then. But im sure everybody eventualy would get it, as players do get bored sometimes, and this is just another Fun factor for Argonaths Role-play.

Now the licensing doesn't have 2 more different companies, same existing vehicle isntructors cold be trained to provide training to others. Same for examiners. Maybe we could fit to 1 school. maybe add boats and Helicopters to 2nd school? Let it be instructors choice on what he wants to teach.

Im sure missed out few points, and Im sure that this can be argued to some extent, but it makes me sad to see how you Void are trying to kill something this fun, this realism giving system to server, More things for players to do! Maybe then they wouldnt leave the server so quickly of boredom.

[Void]

I see.. I thought it was more about the Role play, the Fun, the Realism flavor that it brings to server, the Information for newb players to be awere on how professional RP can be, on first steps to nice Role-playing, as Role-play Introduction. I think it's more than meets the eye

So it has to be clogged with commands to be professional RP?

I think we are trying to make this server as realistic to real life as possible, and that's why im introducing licenses as they should be. I dont see how you do not wish to develop positive add-ons like these.

No, our goal is not to make this server as realistic to real life as possible. First it's licenses, then remove chats and then numerous other things that will add burden to new players. Does it ever end?

I dont see how you do not wish to develop positive add-ons like these.

You are speaking as if we don't have a licensing system at all. We just don't want to have a license for boats.

Now going to Helicopter talk. I want to stick to your topic that you bring, you are saying that MAIN purpose for licensing is to allow them buy Any vehicle, and inform of the traffic laws, and that is the benefits of such licensing. So removing licensing system, we would be to buy vehicles anyways, but not informed of traffic laws. So it comes down to Licensing is only to inform of traffic laws, but how you drive on the streets with your license is your responsibility.

This logic is flawed. The main purpose of licenses is to allow players to have vehicles. Teachers' duty is to teach them about traffic laws. Do you understand now?

Now.. don't you think that someone with helicopter running deadly low the busy street is against the law and should clearly be suspected? May I also remind you all, that vehicle damage will likely exist once T4 is out.

Of course. That means the police will catch him, not the driving school instructors. Taught or not taught, players tend to do this. It's called the criminal side of Argonath. You believe someone will obey traffic laws if they have dozens of instructions and licenses to pass? I hope you don't.

Helicopter
Theory:
How low can you fly? Above 2 helicopter's high
What to do if you see another helicopter near by in air? Quickly slow down, and try to over take from sides.
How close can you fly near the building? More than 2 helicopters apart
WHere is it allowed to land a helicopter? On a well cleared space, with no vehicles or pedestrians close by. Must keep 1 helicopter apart from any obsticles.

Practical:
Lessons for Proper Landing Techniques. then Tested upon. Result should show a very stable and calm landing, without any slidings
Safe vehicle following/Observation Techniques. Then tested upon. Particulary useful if you plan on being a policeman, news reporter, or just an "eye in the sky".

We are thinking about piloting licenses already.

As for talking about boats, I see how it is not difficult from driving a basic vehicle, as the controls are very "similar". But as I can see, some don't know that boats can also tilt themselves up and down, just like a bike.
I wish to remind you, as i cant stress this enough, that all im trying to do, is to mach real life! Such licenses exist EVERYWHERE.

We are not "everyone" nor we wish to match real life(as said above).

And about boats not being so mainstream, I am a big fan of boats, and I can imagine many busienss ideas: Boat rental, Boat Taxi, Boat Driver to rent, and when I RP, i would like to take my friends on my boat, and possibly be the only one with license, becouse as you said, who don't care about boats, shouldn't get the license then. But im sure everybody eventualy would get it, as players do get bored sometimes, and this is just another Fun factor for Argonaths Role-play.

You are a big fan of boats and I respect that but don't think you are everyone. Lets take Coast Guard role play for example. Some time ago players wanted Coast Guard role play implemented in this community. Naturally, they wanted script support. As groups started rising they fell after a few days because people lost interest. Boat rental/taxi/renting a driver would die out soon. I am hundred percent sure of it. You can role play a rent-a-boat or a personal boat driver, script support is not needed. Before you add "Police can just role play too, no scripts needed! Everything can be!" You're wrong. There are factions that need scripts so we can align them with rules.

Im sure missed out few points, and Im sure that this can be argued to some extent, but it makes me sad to see how you Void are trying to kill something this fun, this realism giving system to server, More things for players to do! Maybe then they wouldnt leave the server so quickly of boredom.

You are talking from a temporarily hype, I talk from experience. I know how these ideas go:
Players ask for realism - Realism gets imported till certain extent - They don't like it anymore - Remove it! - Repeat. We won't go down that road.

We were not/are not and will not be a "srs-RP" server. Never.

Regards,
The eternal fun killer.

[Lazlow]

I see... And I'm very disappointed on your views.

[thejorens]

Listen , Void, helicopters need rules and boundaries, I have worked at the stand for a short while and only part time, but if I would get a virtual dollar for every time a helicopter lands in the middle of the road to get a hotdog I wouldn't be poor.
Also sometimes they get hit by a car mid-landing or they crash into the surrounding buildings, which is an actual danger for anyone. A test for a pilot licence is needed, you shouldn't be able to fly one and for offences it should be taken away without hesitation, because reckless flying is even more dangerous than driving under the influence of  boredom...

[Reece]

Listen , Void, helicopters need rules and boundaries, I have worked at the stand for a short while and only part time, but if I would get a virtual dollar for every time a helicopter lands in the middle of the road to get a hotdog I wouldn't be poor.
Also sometimes they get hit by a car mid-landing or they crash into the surrounding buildings, which is an actual danger for anyone. A test for a pilot licence is needed, you shouldn't be able to fly one and for offences it should be taken away without hesitation, because reckless flying is even more dangerous than driving under the influence of  boredom...

We are thinking about piloting licenses already.

[Void]

I see... And I'm very disappointed on your views.

No rebuttals whatsoever? I am willing to discuss this if you are. I don't see you giving any solid arguments in this case, Lazlow.

[Lazlow]

No rebuttals whatsoever? I am willing to discuss this if you are. I don't see you giving any solid arguments in this case, Lazlow.

I am very glad you said that! I just did not wish to make pointless arguments as I learned i life: Everything can be Argued.
Sorry, but my browser struggles with quoting, so i'll use "my own way" of quoting.


You said: "So it has to be clogged with commands to be professional RP?"
This Licensing give the opportunity for teachers to provide a professional, a copy of real life role-playing, and the applicant has the opportunity to respond likewise. So because licensing is the first things players apply for, they are introduced with a professional RP style. That's just how I see Licensing, not that it allows players to buy cars. Cause why don't we just sell cars regardless of owning a license?


You Said: "No, our goal is not to make this server as realistic to real life as possible. First it's licenses, then remove chats and then numerous other things that will add burden to new players. Does it ever end?"

I hope that's not true about not trying RP server to be Real Life familiar. But I completely agree about adding burdens to new players, it's one of my moto's: More is not always better. But this is a not really a complete add-on. But this can get out of hand, if new "school" would be added, and that I do not wish. I wish same 1 school, with different instructors. But please clarify if Argonath is not trying to make RP server less Real Life.


You said: "You are speaking as if we don't have a licensing system at all. We just don't want to have a license for boats."
So your happy with Piloting then? Now I question, why don't you want equal boats licensing. Clearly it's a different transportation. 1 license for land, 1 for air, 1 for water. How would this 1 hurt? It's a smaller thing than a pilots license. And possibly even easier to obtain than cars license. I would not call it useless, I would very much like it, and if I would again read on main chat "I'm bored", i would say, go get Boats license But no. I am still talking about Realistic, and I am aiming to make this server a Real-Life-Istic..
But on other hand, I also don't think that boats license training would train much good.. If you really think it's harmful, and creates more confusion in some way to players, then I would at-least suggest to postpone boats idea until boats will become more popular (i have a feeling they will be)
But again, i think it would be good to do both in 1 go.


You said: This logic is flawed. The main purpose of licenses is to allow players to have vehicles. Teachers' duty is to teach them about traffic laws. Do you understand now?

Yah, i covered that above. But you didn't get it. That we could remove licensing, and put vehicles for sale. Skipping the "burden". Unless Licensing is to inform of road laws.


You Said: "Of course. That means the police will catch him, not the driving school instructors. Taught or not taught, players tend to do this. It's called the criminal side of Argonath. You believe someone will obey traffic laws if they have dozens of instructions and licenses to pass? I hope you don't."

This is a very good point. First of all, police will not cache that helicopter maniac, as hes in air.. But what could be done for the first time in Argonaths IVMP server, the license could be REVOKED!!!! Command already exists, but never used.


You Said: "You are a big fan of boats and I respect that but don't think you are everyone. Lets take Coast Guard role play for example. Some time ago players wanted Coast Guard role play implemented in this community. Naturally, they wanted script support. As groups started rising they fell after a few days because people lost interest. Boat rental/taxi/renting a driver would die out soon. I am hundred percent sure of it. You can role play a rent-a-boat or a personal boat driver, script support is not needed. Before you add "Police can just role play too, no scripts needed! Everything can be!" You're wrong. There are factions that need scripts so we can align them with rules."

I never heard of Coast Guards before, but what kind of script support would they need? Create something like LCPD? one of it's Divisions? Sounds pointless as it's not main-stream as you said, but so is taxi's and mechanic's and medics. Lets not go there...
I am not offering to script rentals or taxis, it's just an idea for the role-players to start their businesses in that field.. And I have a feeling "someone" might start it as soon as owned vehicles come back.
*off topic*: Coast guards sound quite interesting actually, might be inviting players to the seven seas ^^


Lastly you said: "You are talking from a temporarily hype, I talk from experience. I know how these ideas go:
Players ask for realism - Realism gets imported till certain extent - They don't like it anymore - Remove it! - Repeat. We won't go down that road.

We were not/are not and will not be a "srs-RP" server. Never."

I see and understand from what kind of experience you are talking, i really do. From ideas being accepted and removed soon after, and you clearly have more experience in forum's and what I'm talking about.. you have more experience in Manager.. But I'm myself am not new to server, and I've might have seen more whats going on IN the server than you, and how things lose interest quickly, and how players change the server, and most importantly, what is really missing and what would fit. Never the less, you are right, i am talking in "hype", but that hyped generated not because I'm new and i got excited, it's because i see how well it would fit, that's what gives me the hype ^^
and whats "srs-RP"? Serious Role Play?

[Void]

I am very glad you said that! I just did not wish to make pointless arguments as I learned i life: Everything can be Argued.
Sorry, but my browser struggles with quoting, so i'll use "my own way" of quoting.

This is not a board to create arguments. You forget that we all create a tone in our head and choose to repeat our "adversary's" words with it. I guess my replies(which lack emoticons and abbreviations) sound harsh and poignant but in fact, they're not. I am happy that players are willing to put up a reasonable argument and fight for their ideas. I appreciate that.

You said: "So it has to be clogged with commands to be professional RP?"
This Licensing give the opportunity for teachers to provide a professional, a copy of real life role-playing, and the applicant has the opportunity to respond likewise. So because licensing is the first things players apply for, they are introduced with a professional RP style. That's just how I see Licensing, not that it allows players to buy cars. Cause why don't we just sell cars regardless of owning a license?

So we should impose license as much as we can because it reflects on our professionalism? Can't we prove we're role playing enough with other activities? First thing a player applies to is registration. He then proceeds to chat with others and interact with them. He creates his first impression there.

You Said: "No, our goal is not to make this server as realistic to real life as possible. First it's licenses, then remove chats and then numerous other things that will add burden to new players. Does it ever end?"
I hope that's not true about not trying RP server to be Real Life familiar. But I completely agree about adding burdens to new players, it's one of my moto's: More is not always better. But this is a not really a complete add-on. But this can get out of hand, if new "school" would be added, and that I do not wish. I wish same 1 school, with different instructors. But please clarify if Argonath is not trying to make RP server less Real Life.

Real life/serious role play requires higher amount of restrictions and commands and that is a burden to everyone. Every license agency will be under one school, just different departments. There is no need to create a new school for every vehicle.
I was being truthful about the "not attempting to be real-life" statement.

You said: "You are speaking as if we don't have a licensing system at all. We just don't want to have a license for boats."
...If you really think it's harmful, and creates more confusion in some way to players, then I would at-least suggest to postpone boats idea until boats will become more popular (i have a feeling they will be) But again, i think it would be good to do both in 1 go.

Being harmful or not is irrelevant. No idea posted here is harmful if it doesn't jeopardize our players and server existence/function and those ideas are never posted here, I assure you. Keep reading for a complete explanation

You Said: "Of course. That means the police will catch him, not the driving school instructors. Taught or not taught, players tend to do this. It's called the criminal side of Argonath. You believe someone will obey traffic laws if they have dozens of instructions and licenses to pass? I hope you don't."

This is a very good point. First of all, police will not cache that helicopter maniac, as hes in air.. But what could be done for the first time in Argonaths IVMP server, the license could be REVOKED!!!! Command already exists, but never used.

There is a thing we call private talk and punishments. If the player persistently attempts to death match others/ram/heli-kill or such, he'll answer to our administration. Police has helicopters too as well as both FBI and N.O.O.S.E. My statement still stands. Having dozens of license doesn't mean the player will act in traffic accordingly nor does this exclude a possibility to rule break.

You Said: "You are a big fan of boats and I respect that but don't think you are everyone. Lets take Coast Guard role play for example. Some time ago players wanted Coast Guard role play implemented in this community. Naturally, they wanted script support. As groups started rising they fell after a few days because people lost interest. Boat rental/taxi/renting a driver would die out soon. I am hundred percent sure of it. You can role play a rent-a-boat or a personal boat driver, script support is not needed. Before you add "Police can just role play too, no scripts needed! Everything can be!" You're wrong. There are factions that need scripts so we can align them with rules."

I never heard of Coast Guards before, but what kind of script support would they need? Create something like LCPD? one of it's Divisions? Sounds pointless as it's not main-stream as you said, but so is taxi's and mechanic's and medics. Lets not go there...
I am not offering to script rentals or taxis, it's just an idea for the role-players to start their businesses in that field.. And I have a feeling "someone" might start it as soon as owned vehicles come back.
*off topic*: Coast guards sound quite interesting actually, might be inviting players to the seven seas ^^

Anyone can start that business. What is the difference if he has or has not a license? Monopolizing this service? We want players to earn money through RP jobs, how will we tell a player who wants to rent a boat "You must get a license to RP a boat renter"? How will he react? My reaction would be: "How will I get money? That was a great idea gone now!". Why limiting?

I see and understand from what kind of experience you are talking, i really do. From ideas being accepted and removed soon after, and you clearly have more experience in forum's and what I'm talking about.. you have more experience in Manager.. But I'm myself am not new to server, and I've might have seen more whats going on IN the server than you, and how things lose interest quickly, and how players change the server, and most importantly, what is really missing and what would fit. Never the less, you are right, i am talking in "hype", but that hyped generated not because I'm new and i got excited, it's because i see how well it would fit, that's what gives me the hype ^^
and whats "srs-RP"? Serious Role Play?

That's the problem. You see how it fits in but you are not enough for us to do changes. We must do things that attract many people and that would benefit the entire server. Next time try to be open with me and say it: "You are inactive". I agree, I was inactive for the past half a year due to life problems but that will change. This still does not exclude me from knowing what's going on in the server.

Boat license will not be implemented as we temporarily do not see a need for them.

I hope I answered all your question.

[Lazlow]

This is not a board to create arguments. You forget that we all create a tone in our head and choose to repeat our "adversary's" words with it. I guess my replies(which lack emoticons and abbreviations) sound harsh and poignant but in fact, they're not. I am happy that players are willing to put up a reasonable argument and fight for their ideas. I appreciate that.
So we should impose license as much as we can because it reflects on our professionalism? Can't we prove we're role playing enough with other activities? First thing a player applies to is registration. He then proceeds to chat with others and interact with them. He creates his first impression there.
Real life/serious role play requires higher amount of restrictions and commands and that is a burden to everyone. Every license agency will be under one school, just different departments. There is no need to create a new school for every vehicle.
I was being truthful about the "not attempting to be real-life" statement.
 Being harmful or not is irrelevant. No idea posted here is harmful if it doesn't jeopardize our players and server existence/function and those ideas are never posted here, I assure you. Keep reading for a complete explanation

 There is a thing we call private talk and punishments. If the player persistently attempts to death match others/ram/heli-kill or such, he'll answer to our administration. Police has helicopters too as well as both FBI and N.O.O.S.E. My statement still stands. Having dozens of license doesn't mean the player will act in traffic accordingly nor does this exclude a possibility to rule break.
Anyone can start that business. What is the difference if he has or has not a license? Monopolizing this service? We want players to earn money through RP jobs, how will we tell a player who wants to rent a boat "You must get a license to RP a boat renter"? How will he react? My reaction would be: "How will I get money? That was a great idea gone now!". Why limiting?
That's the problem. You see how it fits in but you are not enough for us to do changes. We must do things that attract many people and that would benefit the entire server. Next time try to be open with me and say it: "You are inactive". I agree, I was inactive for the past half a year due to life problems but that will change. This still does not exclude me from knowing what's going on in the server.

Boat license will not be implemented as we temporarily do not see a need for them.

I hope I answered all your question.

Sorry to say this, but many answers were irrelevant... It must be my foul of expression. but i will try to keep this one short.


You Said: "So we should impose license as much as we can because it reflects on our professionalism? Can't we prove we're role playing enough with other activities? First thing a player applies to is registration. He then proceeds to chat with others and interact with them. He creates his first impression there."

That is completly not true in all ways. Yes he registers and bla bla, then asking questions in server and so on, but most often the first time player faces a RP scenario is at the License and passport obtaining stage. and chat im main-chat is not a RP.. face to face communication and /me activity are.




You Said: "Real life/serious role play requires higher amount of restrictions and commands and that is a burden to everyone..."

To be more specific, commands are the burden. restriction may not. At-least not being a big burden (I love that word ).




You Said: "Being harmful or not is irrelevant. No idea posted here is harmful if it doesn't jeopardize our players and server existence/function and those ideas are never posted here, I assure you. Keep reading for a complete explanation"

I ment nothing like that, I did not ment harmful litteraly. I ment, how boats license can be bad for server? I dont see it being a burden for new guys.




You Said: There is a thing we call private talk and punishments. If the player persistently attempts to death match others/ram/heli-kill or such, he'll answer to our administration. Police has helicopters too as well as both FBI and N.O.O.S.E. My statement still stands. Having dozens of license doesn't mean the player will act in traffic accordingly nor does this exclude a possibility to rule break.

Now.. I aim to see less administrative actions to be required to every bad thing a player does, i would preffere to see the player to be punished by nature.. If you know what i mean.. similar to criminal deaths fining them $700..
I dare to say that noose doesnt exist in IVMP anymore.. But Void, heli-rammers and heli-killers are only new guys, so to have heli-license system, it would restrict their access to air vehicle, thats what would make them question that restriction, and they would receive the information needed. Then if they would seriously need an aircraft, only then they will try to get pilots license, and on test it would be made sure that they udnerstand rules and how to use it safely. And as for revoking, i preffere revoking that license, thus restricting access to all aircraft again, untill re-application has been made and passed the test again. That kind of self-legal punishment i would preffere over unban requests..
But wait.. did you already agreed on heli license or not?

As for boats.. you won.

[Void]

Sorry to say this, but many answers were irrelevant... It must be my foul of expression.

Read slowly and you'll understand.

You Said: "So we should impose license as much as we can because it reflects on our professionalism? Can't we prove we're role playing enough with other activities? First thing a player applies to is registration. He then proceeds to chat with others and interact with them. He creates his first impression there."

That is completly not true in all ways. Yes he registers and bla bla, then asking questions in server and so on, but most often the first time player faces a RP scenario is at the License and passport obtaining stage. and chat im main-chat is not a RP.. face to face communication and /me activity are.

Isn't that what I said as well?

and interact with them. He creates his first impression there.

You Said: "Real life/serious role play requires higher amount of restrictions and commands and that is a burden to everyone..."
To be more specific, commands are the burden. restriction may not. At-least not being a big burden (I love that word ).

That's a subjective opinion. I believe most players would disagree with you. We are not forcing you to play here. If you wish for a serious role play server with restrictions and restrictive commands then go.

You Said: "Being harmful or not is irrelevant. No idea posted here is harmful if it doesn't jeopardize our players and server existence/function and those ideas are never posted here, I assure you. Keep reading for a complete explanation"

I ment nothing like that, I did not ment harmful litteraly. I ment, how boats license can be bad for server? I dont see it being a burden for new guys.

See the role playing job part of my previous post. This is why I told you "read slowly" in the beginning.

did you already agreed on heli license or not?

I already did.
My point was that administrators are here to help and take care of our players. They need to act upon a rule breaker.

[Lazlow]

We are not forcing you to play here. If you wish for a serious role play server with restrictions and restrictive commands then go.

Where did that came from? :hit:

[Void]

Where did that came from? :hit:

You are a free player, Lazlow. I am not trying to scare you away but point out that you're free to choose whatever makes you comfortable.
Let me summarize my posts: We need to see the boat demand before we act. Helicopters and cars are used often.

[Lazlow]

You are a free player, Lazlow. I am not trying to scare you away but point out that you're free to choose whatever makes you comfortable.
Let me summarize my posts: We need to see the boat demand before we act. Helicopters and cars are used often.

2 things:
1. I have seen exact same offensive message for many times, most often it WAS used against new players who are not aware of rules, and who rage the server, calling it bad. I was informed things have changed, and such attitude have been dropped. And here you brought it up again. I and We know that we are free, such message should not be reminded in such way, makes me/us feel very unwelcome and disrespected of our presence.

2. As for boats, I wouldn't actually like to go to forums to post a boat license application.. And boats can be used license-less in real life, if you run away in to the free-seas or something or using as a private thing.. So even I would say no to boats even if they would be at great demand, cause i wouldn't expect other boats to be ramming me to death.

So Yay! We can expect helicopter licenses in T4? showed in /invent?