FBI & SWAT

[Kessu]

So, as we had a little chat with EAF, we came up with a few ideas for SWAT and FBI.

Since we all know, FBI aren't supposed to be the one doing the raids, but the investigations, an idea would be to remove /c stealth completely from FBI and add it to a new SWAT gear that is SNIPER only. (aka, SWAT would get colt, laser sniper and a stealth (ON FOOT).

Now, you may think what will FBI be? Well it would be what it was MEANT to be, leading group of investigation and undercover operations (you do not need a M4, MP5 and a laser to do FBI duty. All you need is a colt. Now you may think that FBI would be "underpowered" in the face of criminals (aka EAF). Well, you have a SWAT and /c bu to call for backups. Don't try to be a rambo.

Also SWAT could get a one more gear according to what players want (aka SWAT team members) that has a (laser)sniper in it, but no stealth. Since hey, we all know SWAT is the tactical team, not the FBI. FBI is the stragetical one.

Discuss.

[stormeus]

This would only be worth consideration if SWAT were active, which it's not.

[Kessu]

This would only be worth consideration if SWAT were active, which it's not.

2 active members in FBI. That is not activity either man

[Verz]

2 active members in FBI. That is not activity either man

Not really, almost whole FBI is active.

[PulseEffect]

We have Gear 4 for SWAT for that.
Maybe applying Stealth to Gear 4 for SWAT?
And what happen to PIG Duty Storm????? 

[Kessu]

We have Gear 4 for SWAT for that.
Maybe applying Stealth to Gear 4 for SWAT?
And what happen to PIG Duty Storm????? 

Stealth is broken when applied on non-sniper (aka m4). Therefore any other usage of stealth other than with stealth should be punishable (IF this gets implemented).

[JDC]

No. FBI is more on precision while SWAT is about strength.

Other than underpowering the FBI and serving as an impediment to our operations, there is no further significance in this idea.

[Kessu]

No. FBI is more on precision while SWAT is about strength.

Other than underpowering the FBI and serving as an impediment to our operations, there is no further significance in this idea.

How does your operations include a firepower that basically matches that of SWAT?

FBI is not supposed to be in the front line, they are all about negotiating, investigating and undercover work.. Not raiding places.

Also, of Law Enforcement, SWAT should be the superior one in firepower, with none alike. Now it's FBI and SWAT on-par with firepower (inb4 you say BWAT and FBI doesn't have shotgun)

[JDC]

FBI is not supposed to be in the front line, they are all about negotiating, investigating and undercover work.. Not raiding places.

So if a team of FBI is online, without any VCPD assistance, and the bank gets robbed, you simply expect us to just stand there with megaphones?

FBI is not supposed to be in the front line, they are all about negotiating, investigating and undercover work.. Not raiding places.

There are certain operations FBI pulls off that does not match SWAT's line of work, but still requires a certain kind of firepower.

Also, of Law Enforcement, SWAT should be the superior one in firepower, with none alike. Now it's FBI and SWAT on-par with firepower (inb4 you say BWAT and FBI doesn't have shotgun)

The firepower of SWAT's weaponry has always been superior to FBI arsenal, and will always be.

May I remind you of who has more knowledge about FBI protocol, procedure, and what we do other than responding to hostile suspects and bank robberies. Your proposal for FBI is denied.

[Kessu]

Like talking to a brick wall.. Cba to go give further arguments, since you seem to have tunnel-vision of your precious group.

[JDC]

Like talking to a brick wall.. Cba to go give further arguments, since you seem to have tunnel-vision of your precious group.

The only tunnel-vision here is possessed by those who seek to do nothing but weaken the other side.

[Kessu]

The only tunnel-vision here is possessed by those who seek to do nothing but weaken the other side.

It's not about "weakening" FBI, it's about balancing the "power" within ARPD. As it seems to an outsider, there is no other rank but FBI and freecop. Why? Nobody wants SWAT because FBI is TOO GOOD to be skipped. This would balance the gap between FBI & SWAT, if FBI still wants to raid places, then be my guest and visit ammunation or /c duty cop.

[Klaus]

All FBI are are normal cops with a different skin and no blip chasing suspects with M4. 

[~Legend~]

No, I don't think it would work in that light - referring to original idea.

Thought I'd just start on that, in case/should this topic dissolve into something it wasn't meant to be.

The operations of the Federal Bureau of Investigation have changed a lot in the last year (in fact, it's exactly been a year now since some drastic changes began taking place for the Vice City Investigation Department [VCID]).

VC:MP's FBI is somewhat unique. In a real world sense, you could consider it on par with the SIS (MI6), Security Servie (MI5), CIA, ASIS... to name a few from around the globe.

Its primary activity is to gather intelligence on varying levels for the government, law enforcement and so on.
It also plays some significant roles on the field, doing practical tasks, some of which may involve direct confrontation.

I noticed the word "raid" coming up a lot - the FBI doesn't take part in simple "raids" as such. They may lay the foundations for an upcoming raid, and gather the required intel, but an all out raid wouldn't normally be orchestrated by the unit.
However, undercover raids/busts may commonly be carried out by agents working for the FBI.

Counter-terrorism, direct offensive/defensive operations would be carried out by the SWAT team.
In certain situations, the general body of the VCPD, along with SWAT and FBI may cooperate to bring things under control.


I wouldn't say that the FBI or SWAT are more or less superior than the other - they work in different ways, a main difference being that the SWAT are more for very specialised situations and we may not require their presence daily. FBI branches off slightly more from the VCPD.

Firepower: SWAT still has a larger array of weapons.

I think everyone with SWAT or FBI permissions have been using them appropriately - thankfully. :p
The only ones that misuse it are the ones that aren't meant to have it in the first place.

[Marcell]

It's primary activity is to gather intelligence on varying levels for the government, law enforcement and so on.

lol