Removal of /c bribe + Allowing police to use /c uncrime

[JDC]

No offense but this is a Naive post also

So you are implying that every single instance of /c bribe that has taken place in the server has been roleplayed properly?

[Nylez]

So you are implying that every single instance of /c bribe that has taken place in the server has been roleplayed properly?

No, of course you can not roleplay EVERYTHING properly, but this topic was created because Shadow moaned about me and kessu abusing the bribe possibility.

But THAT moan was invalid, because the bribe was roleplayed properly.
Here we are, discussing something because one cop didn't get the  :money: :money: he wanted.

What I don't understand is why you are so active on forums of VC:MP with stuff you don't like,
when you're barely in the server.
You only talk on VCPD's side, based on what you heard from some of the members of it.

You only follow rumours, you never were there when it actually happened.
How can you even discuss here, you don't know ANYTHING.

Back to topic: /c bribe just must stay, because it has good roleplay possibilities.

[JDC]

No, of course you can not roleplay EVERYTHING properly, but this topic was created because Shadow moaned about me and kessu abusing the bribe possibility.

But THAT moan was invalid, because the bribe was roleplayed properly.
Here we are, discussing something because one cop didn't get the  :money: :money: he wanted.

I am not here to glorify or demonize any single bribing incident. What I stated is the fact that /c bribe is very prone to abuse, and that not all instances of it are roleplayed.

What I don't understand is why you are so active on forums of VC:MP with stuff you don't like,
when you're barely in the server.
You only talk on VCPD's side, based on what you heard from some of the members of it.

You only follow rumours, you never were there when it actually happened.
How can you even discuss here, you don't know ANYTHING.

I do not see the need to explain all my information-gathering methods (including those you don't know about) to someone who makes conclusions based on impressions.

[Nylez]

I am not here to glorify or demonize any single bribing incident. What I stated is the fact that /c bribe is very prone to abuse, and that not all instances of it are roleplayed.

Explain to me why suddenly now /c bribe must be removed, I don't remember it being abused lately. So I don't understand why you even want to remove /c bribe.

I do not see the need to explain all my information-gathering methods (including those you don't know about) to someone who makes conclusions based on impressions.

You call people naïve and idealistic based on their opinions and personal experiences as well, so I don't think you can blame nor despise me for making conclusions based on impressions. On top of that, I think it is relevant in this case to name your information-gathering methods as you call them. Because you are never in-game, and still you seem to know everything. I still find it bullshit (sorry about that, just fits best) that you, a bureaucrat who never experiences the actual life in Vice City Argonath can discuss on this topic, because of those "sources" you have.

ON: I would understand VCPD that they want /c bribe gone, if there were continuously things happening where criminals abuse the bribe possibility. 9 out of 10 times when a wanted criminal is being chased etcetera it ends up in a shooting contest where the best shooter wins. I'm sure VCPD is sick of dying as well, so why remove something which could make a criminal scene end different for once, and (especially) peaceful?

The variation that /c bribe brings is just perfect for Argonath, so I suggest that if there isn't anyone else who wants to say something about it, this topic can be closed.

It'll end up in a discussion and in 2 years this topic still will be open, and nothing has changed, so I don't see the point of it.

[Klaus]

Explain to me why suddenly now /c bribe must be removed, I don't remember it being abused lately. So I don't understand why you even want to remove /c bribe.

It's simple, VCPD are not happy when criminals would rather roleplay bribing a freecop than roleplay surrendering to them. They see it as a lack of roleplay probably because the roleplay doesn't include them. They claim that using the command is abuse because they don't get any reward for their hard work

[Kessu]

Reworking the command to work only on ARPD members (read; those who have been accepted in ARPD) is just out of the question. No one else of the ARPD other than aXXo even thinks of accepting bribes

If you want the command to be removed / reworked, present a well backed up post with FACTS, not opinions or one-time cases that happens once every 1 year, if even that often.

HOW can the command be abused?
WHAT are the result of usage of the command?
WHAT can be done to improve the command?

No any "I NO LIEK COMMAND IT CUN BE UBUSED" shit... Start providing real posts instead of useless arguments...

[JDC]

It is easily abused in the same way as /confess was on SA:MP, which is why it was removed. Rogue cops/"cops" such as Bohdi are a good example of the occasional abuse as well.

Any two criminals can simply make pre-arrangements and claim it was "roleplay". After all, helping friends is easy.

:bohdi:

[Kessu]

It is easily abused in the same way as /confess was on SA:MP, which is why it was removed.

Any two criminals can simply make pre-arrangements and claim it was "roleplay".

Usually those "pre-arrangements" are roleplay. Any more "facts" you'd like to point out?

[JDC]

Usually those "pre-arrangements" are roleplay. Any more "facts" you'd like to point out?

It's kind of hard to find facts that would seem valid to the administration, when the body itself is mostly composed of criminals who support /c bribe staying.

[Kessu]

It's kind of hard to find facts that would seem valid to the administration, when the body itself is mostly composed of criminals who support /c bribe staying.

My most played role in Argonath VCMP server happens to be cop. Do you need any other assumption be pointed out as false?

[JDC]

My most played role in Argonath VCMP server happens to be cop. Do you need any other assumption be pointed out as false?

A cop who is a member of the leading and most influential criminal group.

[Kessu]

A cop who is a member of the leading and most influential criminal group.

I played cop with this very same bribe command for almost three years. You've played with the bribe command for what? 1 week at most? Guess which knows more about usage of the command. I've seen it used every possible way, NEVER did I think it as "abusing the command". Why? I do not play this server for $$$ :money: :money: :money:

I play this server to have fun, play WHATEVER I wish whenever I want. I do not NEED any money to play and have fun. IF you play to find "flaws" in the scripts, abusable commands, then we would NOT have ANY other command other than that of /me and a few animations. Even ADMIN COMMANDS can be abused, would you remove them too? RCON can be abused, would you remove the server because a part of it is abusable? Your logic is flawed...

The command is FINE, it has always been.. Until someone came and moaned because the roleplay did not go as they wanted...

[JDC]

You are the one inserting flaws into your own logic by the use of exaggerations.

Also, if the bribe in the scenario below is valid and full of roleplay, please explain to me how.

- FBI chases a suspect -
- Suspect surrenders to FBI and becomes Surrendered Suspect -
- Surrendered Suspect is cuffed by the FBI -
** Bohdi has joined the server.
- Suspect goes inside the FBI car, FBI takes him to VCPD HQ -
Bohdi (X): hihi
Surrendered suspect is mysteriously no longer wanted
- Surrendered Suspect exits the FBI vehicle and runs -

[Kessu]

You are the one inserting flaws into your own logic by the use of exaggerations.

Also, if the bribe in the scenario below is valid and full of roleplay, please explain to me how.

If you want the command to be removed / reworked, present a well backed up post with FACTS, not opinions or one-time cases that happens once every 1 year, if even that often.

Ignorance, my friend, ignorance..

[JDC]

You accuse others of failing to back up their claims yet you have failed to give a simple explanation as to how you can back up yours in a certain case. Please answer the question.

if the bribe in the scenario below is valid and full of roleplay, please explain to me how.

- FBI chases a suspect -
- Suspect surrenders to FBI and becomes Surrendered Suspect -
- Surrendered Suspect is cuffed by the FBI -
** Bohdi has joined the server.
- Suspect goes inside the FBI car, FBI takes him to VCPD HQ -
Bohdi (X): hihi
Surrendered suspect is mysteriously no longer wanted
- Surrendered Suspect exits the FBI vehicle and runs -

:ps: The Bodhi scenario above was an actual occurrence.