Valve boss Gabe Newell calls Windows 8 a 'catastrophe'

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He is not against technology but rather against substandard and unessential ones.

I haven't seen anything mentioned that is substandard. He stated that touchscreen technology is "stupid and slow" but that is incorrect.

As for nonessential technologies, surely it is subjective as to whether they are classed as such? He may not have a use for the latest phones, but other people do.

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Caltson: Argonath's chief Luddite.

>questions the high cost of some smartphones
>questions the functional usefulness of tablets
>insults wannabe instagram photographers
>insults the shitty windows 8 interface

Yes, because questioning the quality or usefulness of shitty technology makes you a "Luddite".

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Not just from this thread.

[ElMartu]

>questions the high cost of some smartphones
>questions the functional usefulness of tablets
>insults wannabe instagram photographers
>insults the shitty windows 8 interface

Yes, because questioning the quality or usefulness of shitty technology makes you a "Luddite".

why are you using le meme arrows in argonath lool

I do agree with you and Caltson, though - it doesn't look very promising.

[Caltson]

I haven't seen anything mentioned that is substandard. He stated that touchscreen technology is "stupid and slow" but that is incorrect.

As for nonessential technologies, surely it is subjective as to whether they are classed as such? He may not have a use for the latest phones, but other people do.

Touchscreen is slow, dirty, frustrating and absolutely counterproductive. If you can give at least one example in which touchscreen outruns the accuracy and speed of the older methods, please do instead of calling me names.
Also, why on earth do you need an iPad? Why do you need a phone that has a bigger processor than your PC? It's because of all this overpriced materials that all the prices are going higher and higher.
Do you even know how to use a compass or do you rely on your phone to get you home safely?

A phone was made to make 'phone' calls or to text something important to another person. Why on earth would you need more features on your phone than that? Games, movies, internet, why do you need them on your phone, because it's too hard to rely on your mind to keep yourself occupied on the road?

The only reason of use I can appoint to a smartphone or tablet is for executives and managers, not for teenagers or young adults, including myself. Of course, the larger companies have smelled the consumer's money and of course nowadays they're being produced in big amounts... And all most of us do is buying it. Figures.

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Touchscreen is slow, dirty, frustrating and absolutely counterproductive. If you can give at least one example in which touchscreen outruns the accuracy and speed of the older methods, please do instead of calling me names.

Are you referring to touchscreen in general? If so, you are absolutely incorrect. I have many touchscreen products, and the negatives you speak of are just not present in any of them. Yes, the first ever touchscreen products to come to market were slow and generally bad, but that's certainly not the case today, even on a PC.

Also, why on earth do you need an iPad? Why do you need a phone that has a bigger processor than your PC? It's because of all this overpriced materials that all the prices are going higher and higher.

I used an iPad (now Kindle) for recipes in the kitchen, or for reading. Yes, I could have physical books, but to be honest I don't have the space to keep lots of them. Having as many as I want stored in a place as small as a tablet is convenient and a lot easier for me.

And what phone has a bigger processor than a PC? If it's 10 years old, maybe so...

Do you even know how to use a compass or do you rely on your phone to get you home safely?

Yes, I know how to use a compass (I even know how to make one, if that counts for something), but that's not really a good argument against smartphones is it? I doubt many people need a compass to find their way home...

Does this mean you are also against having Sat Nav on phones? What about sat Navs in cars? Or even cars in general? Why drive when you were given legs...

A phone was made to make 'phone' calls or to text something important to another person. Why on earth would you need more features on your phone than that? Games, movies, internet, why do you need them on your phone, because it's too hard to rely on your mind to keep yourself occupied on the road?

Not at all. I find it easy to keep myself occupied without technology, however having a smartphone makes my life easier. You may not have a use for them, but I need to read my emails on the go, I need to sometimes use the browser when away from home, I like having my music and a camera on one device, etc.

If I recall correctly, I believe you said you use a Samsung U800. This has a camera, video recording, music player, games, image/video editor, etc. If you are so against phones having the ability to do things other than call and text, then why are you not using a Nokia 2110?

I will however agree about the games and movies.

The only reason of use I can appoint to a smartphone or tablet is for executives and managers, not for teenagers or young adults, including myself.

Well that would depend entirely on the person. Regardless, it doesn't mean smartphones and tablets are pointless.

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Are you referring to touchscreen in general? If so, you are absolutely incorrect. I have many touchscreen products, and the negatives you speak of are just not present in any of them. Yes, the first ever touchscreen products to come to market were slow and generally bad, but that's certainly not the case today, even on a PC.

I used an iPad (now Kindle) for recipes in the kitchen, or for reading. Yes, I could have physical books, but to be honest I don't have the space to keep lots of them. Having as many as I want stored in a place as small as a tablet is convenient and a lot easier for me.

And what phone has a bigger processor than a PC? If it's 10 years old, maybe so...

Yes, I know how to use a compass (I even know how to make one, if that counts for something), but that's not really a good argument against smartphones is it? I doubt many people need a compass to find their way home...

Does this mean you are also against having Sat Nav on phones? What about sat Navs in cars? Or even cars in general? Why drive when you were given legs...

Not at all. I find it easy to keep myself occupied without technology, however having a smartphone makes my life easier. You may not have a use for them, but I need to read my emails on the go, I need to sometimes use the browser when away from home, I like having my music and a camera on one device, etc.

If I recall correctly, I believe you said you use a Samsung U800. This has a camera, video recording, music player, games, image/video editor, etc. If you are so against phones having the ability to do things other than call and text, then why are you not using a Nokia 2110?

I will however agree about the games and movies.

Well that would depend entirely on the person. Regardless, it doesn't mean smartphones and tablets are pointless.

They are pointless. Books don't consume electricity and they won't fail you or ask you to pay for something after purchase. Besides they will not fail you should the powerline be cut.
Touchscreen in overall, compared to what energy it consumes with other devices is pointless and only good for toying around with. A keyboard has proven to be much faster in work environments compared to a touchscreen. Shouldn't even be talking about how dirty the touchscreen gets overall.

Drive because the distance between you and your destination is too far to walk.
This technology is great for people that do get an advantage from it as Businessmen in general. That they need to check their e-mail and need internet outside, I fully agree.

However, assuming you do not have such a type of job, I can't think of any reason to need internet outside your house except for an addiction you do not want to acknowledge. The internet is big, but that you need it everywhere is not correct. Rethink about it and also think at once how much energy all of these smartphones, iPads and other things consume. That a PC came to it's existance is all good. That we need all of that outside, no..

Yes, I have a Samsung U600 which is a work bonus. I didn't buy it, I've got it for free from my previous work. Same goes for my first laptop. It's more turned off to save it's older battery and since I don't like being disturbed at any time of the day.


This and this version of Windows 8 simply relies on what the consumer, who seems to buy anything they find 'cool' nowadays, and is the result of the entire make-over the new version of Windows went trough. People like smartphones and tablets, so why not make a PC-Operating System that looks related to it? From marketing perspective, Windows 8 has a brilliant view. Many people will buy it only because of that, leaving the quality or the money being invested out of the picture.

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They are pointless. Books don't consume electricity and they won't fail you or ask you to pay for something after purchase. Besides they will not fail you should the powerline be cut.
Touchscreen in overall, compared to what energy it consumes with other devices is pointless and only good for toying around with. A keyboard has proven to be much faster in work environments compared to a touchscreen. Shouldn't even be talking about how dirty the touchscreen gets overall.

Drive because the distance between you and your destination is too far to walk.
This technology is great for people that do get an advantage from it as Businessmen in general. That they need to check their e-mail and need internet outside, I fully agree.

However, assuming you do not have such a type of job, I can't think of any reason to need internet outside your house except for an addiction you do not want to acknowledge. The internet is big, but that you need it everywhere is not correct. Rethink about it and also think at once how much energy all of these smartphones, iPads and other things consume. That a PC came to it's existance is all good. That we need all of that outside, no..

Yes, I have a Samsung U600 which is a work bonus. I didn't buy it, I've got it for free from my previous work. Same goes for my first laptop. It's more turned off to save it's older battery and since I don't like being disturbed at any time of the day.


This and this version of Windows 8 simply relies on what the consumer, who seems to buy anything they find 'cool' nowadays, and is the result of the entire make-over the new version of Windows went trough. People like smartphones and tablets, so why not make a PC-Operating System that looks related to it? From marketing perspective, Windows 8 has a brilliant view. Many people will buy it only because of that, leaving the quality or the money being invested out of the picture.

But what you have stated is mostly from a personal point of view. For example, you ask me to think about how much energy these devices consume (as a negative), when to be honest, I really couldn't care less about energy usage. Now I'm not sure if you are referring to cost, or emissions, but neither of them matter to me. It's exactly the reason why my car costs £110 to fill up rather than driving something electric or hybrid for a lower cost.

As for the books, I've already stated that I do not have the space to store hundreds of them, therefore tablets are the next best alternative for me. The possibility of the powerline being cut, etc. is small, so that doesn't matter to me. In fact, I don't think reading would be the first of my priorities if I suddenly found myself without power.

I agree keyboards are better, and I won't shift from them, but there really isn't anything wrong with touchscreen on devices. My phone for example is ultra responsive and I can't think of any negatives to not having the traditional button layout like previous handsets.

I need email and the Internet for my job.

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I'm no fan of Windows 8.

I understand why people disliked Vista, but I still use it. Partly since I think it's similar to 7 anyway when you look past the interface/bugs.

I would still use XP if I could. It's simplicity and usability, plus almost everything worked without problems.

I don't like the way Microsoft seems to be moving more towards the Apple business model, and they're not allowing for some things such as gaming to evolve as it has been. I'm not a Steam fanbody, I actually think it's quite annoying, but I understand what they mean.

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I don't like the way Microsoft seems to be moving more towards the Apple business model...

Microsoft hasn't sued anyone yet.

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Microsoft hasn't sued anyone yet.