North Korea seeks immediate food aid after floods

[Gandalf]

yes, and do you think such ammount of organization can be done with the control NK government has over it's people.

If it can not be done, not enough people want change and the government should be left alone.

[Alsatian]

There will of course be people who misuse the system

And this is why it will not work, as it is dependent on the whole nation working seamlessly together. If one person begins to abuse the system in any way, or decides they're not going to work very hard today, then other people will follow.

Unless you can change the intrinsic values of human nature, Communism will not work.

Communism is the true way its goal is to abolish state and money not create a police state like the USA says. North Korea deserves help.

By doing so, you can pretty much say goodbye to any advancements in technology and every other area of industry for that matter.

[JDC]

No dictator is powerful enough if a majority of the people support the uprising.

What about situations such as North Korea, where the citizenry would be incapable of defeating the combined might of the administration and its armed forces? (as the soldiers are more in a position to benefit from the Kim administration)

[Dolfagr]

If it can not be done, not enough people want change and the government should be left alone.

The security in NK is really strict and tough. One cannot organize anything without being exposed. And if there are even suspicious of someone, he is immediately exiled from their soil, or worse.

In one part it's our fault for isolating them into their own media and way of life, not saying that ours is better..thus it's expectable when the Western countries don't give a fuck about NK, the same will come as response.

A military coup would be hard to achieve, without assistance by Western Countries, lethal assistance or not, backed by profits of companies or not. At that point exactly is where countries like China, Cuba, Belarus, Venezuela, Iran start accusing the Western Countries of a plot to take over the government and we're again one step to worldwide shitstorm and start talking bullshit on conference rooms while the civilians are being killed every day.

[JayL]

The security in NK is really strict and tough. One cannot organize anything without being exposed. And if there are even suspicious of someone, he is immediately exiled from their soil, or worse.

In one part it's our fault for isolating them into their own media and way of life, not saying that ours is better..thus it's expectable when the Western countries don't give a f**k about NK, the same will come as response.

A military coup would be hard to achieve, without assistance by Western Countries, lethal assistance or not, backed by profits of companies or not. At that point exactly is where countries like China, Cuba, Belarus, Venezuela, Iran start accusing the Western Countries of a plot to take over the government and we're again one step to worldwide shitstorm and start talking bullshit on conference rooms while the civilians are being killed every day.

One of few things we can be sure of (as it is general rule for countries) is that Kim Jong-il's army generals (those of whom where his proteges) are tutoring his son now. If they were to bring a practical novice down, wouldn't be so hard. Also, when there is a major sentiment of revolt, even those who watch others will refuse to put anyone down... None of this disorder has happened in North Korea so far, so yes the dissent is pretty much made up of minorities.
Post Merge: August 07, 2012, 08:53:51 pm

@JayL:

This is where your entire argument falls apart, by arguing on the premise that there is an "order" in North Korea that is not to be disrupted if the country is to continue in a state of "prosperity". That premise is in itself flawed.

The only order that is present in North Korea is disorder. A country where you are forced to virtually worship a dictator, to stay locked inside the borders, to be separated from any friends or family you might have in the South, to conform to only a single political ideology, to die for simply having an opinion, to starve while watching fat dictators and fat generals eating first-class food, to dress exactly how the government tells you to dress, is definitely not a country with an order that deserves not to be disrupted.

Do you even have idea what order and disorder mean?

[Gandalf]

By doing so, you can pretty much say goodbye to any advancements in technology and every other area of industry for that matter.

You believe advancement is made just for money or by a State ?

[Gandalf]

What about situations such as North Korea, where the citizenry would be incapable of defeating the combined might of the administration and its armed forces? (as the soldiers are more in a position to benefit from the Kim administration)

The French revolution started by peasants without weapons.
India fought with spears against the British army with guns.
In Georgia and Ukraine people gathered to protest the election results withotu any bloodshed.

Many would fall, but if the citizenry would unite against those in power, they would prevail.

[Aksel]

The French revolution started by peasants without weapons.
India fought with spears against the British army with guns.
In Georgia and Ukraine people gathered to protest the election results withotu any bloodshed.

Many would fall, but if the citizenry would unite against those in power, they would prevail.

Exactly. When the citizen fight against the authorities, there is no way for the government to retail.